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Harbor Freight jackstands recalled!, Could collapse under weight! |
76-914 |
May 21 2020, 09:20 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,490 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
Click bait video. "ha ha it totally failed" -- After he hooked a pry bar under it and then exerted substantial force on the pry bar without measuring the force on the bar and calculating the total force exterted on the jack stand lever. Later in the video he goes on to show that it isn't easy to accidentally release. What also isn't considered is that a failure of 1 jackstand probably won't kill you. Could it? Yes, in just the right scenaro but the weight would not crush to the ground and the other 3 stands would still bear weight. Now if you're only using 1 jack stand and working directly below it, that is just asking for trouble. I almost always back up a single jackstand with another. News Flash: working the the garage around heavy objects and power tools can be dangerous. Even full on two post and 4 post hoists have been known to fail unexpectedly. Extremely rare but it has happened. Standing under a two ton object is inherently dangerous to a degree. If we don't take responsibility for our own safety and actions, expect a set of jackstands to soon cost $500 to cover corporate liability and the costs of frivilous lawsuits. This sort of "experiment" makes a well proven jack stand design appear to be critically flawed though intentional misuse. Sort of like when NBC news was caught using ignitors to ensure that a "test crash" caught on camera would result in a firery crash. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-199...1335-story.html Just for clarity -- I'm not against pin type either! Well said. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
Steve |
May 21 2020, 10:40 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,569 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
I know this has been discussed before with some gruesome pictures... but who in there right mind would use ratcheting jack stands? Most people use the ones with the pins. To easy to kick that lever and have the car fall on you. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers!! Back in the late 70's with my first 914, I was very young and much skinnier. I remember using the lever type jack stand as something to push against with my foot to get leverage to break loose a frozen nut. I realized i was pushing against the lever with my foot. No the jack did not come down, but it freaked me out, so I bought the pin type. Even with the pin type I am still very careful not to rock the car or touch the jack. I also now have a Bendpack scissor lift, so i rarely use jack stands anymore. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) |
Carbon-14 |
May 22 2020, 01:13 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 765 Joined: 7-May 20 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 24,238 Region Association: Canada |
Jackstands Recall
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/bu...-of-collapsing/ http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...t&id=359643 https://www.foxnews.com/auto/454000-harbor-...isk-of-collapse My standard operating procedure was to wire them shut, with baling or fence wire. I inspected every set I purchased, and found the manufacturing tolerances poor, the cast serrations and toggle interface too easily tripped by the slightest movement of the toggle handle. Frightening to think of what could happen in a failure. https://www.princessauto.com/en/search?Dy=1...;Ntt=jackstands http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911...er-porsche.html Bags https://www.santiam.net/matjack_low_pressur...fting_bags.html https://www.holmatro.com/en/industrial/lifting-bag-hlb-16 |
jdamiano |
May 22 2020, 08:15 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 335 Joined: 18-March 18 From: Jacksonville Member No.: 21,981 Region Association: South East States |
Who needs expensive Harbor Freight jack stands anyways. These fine fellows surely don’t.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/2782174363052...e&ref=share |
Superhawk996 |
May 22 2020, 09:31 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,747 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Who needs expensive Harbor Freight jack stands anyways. These fine fellows surely don’t. https://m.facebook.com/groups/2782174363052...e&ref=share (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/givemebeer.gif) Watch this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) |
Coondog |
May 22 2020, 09:50 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,089 Joined: 24-September 15 From: Apple Valley Calif Member No.: 19,195 Region Association: Southern California |
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Cairo94507 |
May 22 2020, 03:42 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,711 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
My brother had 2 of the 6 ton red/blk jack stands he bought from HF a while ago. Still looked like new. Went to HF in Pleasant Hill to do the recall and they said, "Those are not our jack stands"- despite having the exact same jack stands sitting on the shelf. He pointed that out and he said "Those are new ones. They have only been red for 90 days." He had bought mine from HF probably 1-2 years ago. He said, "Great. Thanks. Have a nice weekend." Went home and tossed them in the recycle can. He didn't want to give them to anyone that could end up being hurt if they failed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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Rufus |
May 22 2020, 05:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 314 Joined: 8-April 06 From: Central NC Member No.: 5,840 Region Association: None |
For anyone who’s interested, here’s a link to the recall:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2020/RCLRPT-20E016-6561.PDF |
PlaysWithCars |
May 25 2020, 08:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: 9-November 03 From: Southeast of Seattle Member No.: 1,323 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Who needs expensive Harbor Freight jack stands anyways. These fine fellows surely don’t. https://m.facebook.com/groups/2782174363052...e&ref=share I use the ratchet jacks, and will continue to when needed (although the 2-post I installed this weekend should minimize the need (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) ). I have had zero problems with the ratchet style for 20yrs until about 6 months ago when I discovered one of the stands I was getting ready to set the car onto wasn't fully engaged. Had never experienced this before but am very aware of it now and I suspect that what I experienced is the root of the problems others have had. When I raise the post on the stand the pawl ratcheted just as it always had, but it didn't drop all of the way back into the catch on the post. As I was setting the car down I noticed that the release lever on one stand was not in the same position as the other 3. Further inspection revealed that it wasn't fully seated. This was an older stand and some foreign material was creating drag on the release pivot so that gravity was not enough to return it to the fully engaged position. All of my stands received a thorough cleaning and lube following that. They are all now functioning as new, but I'll always check the position of the release lever before putting a load on them. For what its worth, I've had similar experiences with pin type stands. After setting the height then moving them, the pin worked its way part way out and was only engaging one half of the stand. Same procedure with them now: make sure the protrusion of the pin is as expected before setting a load on them. As Superhawk said, working under a load is dangerous and its up to the user to be aware of the proper operation of the equipment and check it before putting yourself in danger. |
VaccaRabite |
May 26 2020, 07:56 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,423 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
For what its worth, I've had similar experiences with pin type stands. After setting the height then moving them, the pin worked its way part way out and was only engaging one half of the stand. Same procedure with them now: make sure the protrusion of the pin is as expected before setting a load on them. As Superhawk said, working under a load is dangerous and its up to the user to be aware of the proper operation of the equipment and check it before putting yourself in danger. The pin types I have have safety pins on the pins so that can't happen. Unless you don't use the safety pins. Always check your load and gear! Zach |
Root_Werks |
May 26 2020, 09:29 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,305 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Just so we are clear, the guy that was under his 914 when a pawl style jack stand failed was a World member and Admin. When Gint had his incident that was when I shoved my pawl types under a workbench and bought several pin types. Zach I remember that, also the day I placed my pawl types in the metal recycle and bought 4 sets of pin types. |
mountainroads |
May 26 2020, 02:09 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 19-February 12 From: Seattle Member No.: 14,145 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Generally speaking you can't get the pin kind at Walmart, FLAPS, or Harbor Freight. And when you can they are way more expensive. To get the pin type you are suddenly bumped into shop tools, and they are out of the price range of the guy just wanting to change his oil. So, the vast majority of people that use jackstands use the pawl type. And those people are better off then the even larger majority that don't use anything at all. Zach I MUST be missing something. How the hell can jack stands with a mechanical ratcheting mechanism be less expensive than stands with a simple pin? I have multiple basic pin-type sets that I've acquired over the years. None cost more than available ratcheting types. Frankly, I'm not a big HF fan for several reasons, unless you want a throw-away tool you can abuse a few times with a clear conscience and then toss when it craps out on you. Certainly nothing safety-related. - MR |
beech4rd |
May 26 2020, 05:10 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 343 Joined: 10-January 07 From: Highwoods, Saugerties, NY Member No.: 7,445 Region Association: North East States |
We don't need no stinking' jackstands! We're Porsche guys!
However, it's always a good idea to place the wheels below the car lest anything goes wrong. |
Unobtanium-inc |
Jun 14 2020, 04:52 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,199 Joined: 29-November 06 From: New York Member No.: 7,276 Region Association: None |
Looks like the new ones aren't much better.
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/replacement-har...-180000215.html |
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