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> For flat sixes: Webers v MFI v EFI, Ecologically speaking…
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post Jun 5 2020, 03:34 PM
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Currently have a 2.2E/S with Webers. It runs well and makes good power, having been tuned on the dyno and further dialed in since then, but I have discovered I'm just not a carburetor person. Fuel economy isn't good enough for the size of engine/car, and the emissions bother me—both in terms of the smells in my garage and while driving the car. And yes, we've been totally spoiled by low emissions cars.

What I'm curious about, for anyone who has lived with carbs and MFI: Is MFI noticeably cleaner and/or more efficient than carbs?

Or is EFI the way to go? I'm in no hurry on this, but curious for the experiences of others. Yes, Motronic, but I actually like the 2.2 engine.

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I can see where PMO carbs are attractive to someone building an engine or a car for all the reasons listed, but they don't make sense for me.

I rolled the dice and bought a set of used Webers from Pelican Parts years ago for less than what cores cost now. Had them gone through by someone very familiar with Webers before they went on the car for seals, etc. Only suspect thing was a bit of wear on one shaft...but it wasn't enough to be worth dealing with. After the better part of a day on a chassis dyno and some subsequent fiddling, they're good. Car starts first try if it's been driven within the last few days, and will start in the first couple of tries if it's been sitting—and this is without the luxury of a 914-6 choke. Engine pulls nicely from idle to 6000+, and is pretty hard to catch out. Jump on the gas too quickly and you can sometimes get ahead of the carbs, but that's about the only niggle. I'm happy in all those regards.

New PMOs would need to be dialed in, and present most of the same problems. This thread has me moving the goalposts away from MFI (cost, emissions, etc) and towards EFI, possibly on PMO TBs to keep the factory 914-6 airbox—which I really like—and because I suspect parts & support will be available for a long time to come.

That leaves which engine management system. A lot of good inputs here to consider.
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horizontally-opposed   For flat sixes: Webers v MFI v EFI   Jun 5 2020, 03:34 PM
sixnotfour   efi is the old school Boss..not so correct for the...   Jun 5 2020, 03:57 PM
mepstein   A properly restored and tuned MFI setup will be cl...   Jun 5 2020, 04:33 PM
worn   Currently have a 2.2E/S with Webers. It runs well...   Jun 5 2020, 04:34 PM
SirAndy   Cross country I got a little better than 25 mpg wi...   Jun 5 2020, 06:29 PM
burton73   I can tell you one thing, MFI on an E or S when tu...   Jun 5 2020, 04:53 PM
colingreene   EFI is the only way to go if you dont mind spendin...   Jun 5 2020, 05:10 PM
raynekat   MFI is good for power, but not fuel economy or low...   Jun 5 2020, 05:16 PM
morgan_harwell   MFI will not get better MPG or Emissions than woul...   Jun 5 2020, 05:32 PM
horizontally-opposed   Appreciate the replies so far. Have driven MFI—I...   Jun 5 2020, 06:19 PM
Sway Bar   Interesting...I think most of 6 drivers don't ...   Jun 5 2020, 06:26 PM
roblav1   My 2.2E targa MFI got 17 mpg highway back in 1982....   Jun 5 2020, 09:15 PM
horizontally-opposed   My 2.2E targa MFI got 17 mpg highway back in 1982...   Jun 6 2020, 12:35 AM
Charles Freeborn   https://rasantproducts.com   Jun 5 2020, 09:22 PM
gereed75   I have been collecting parts for a few years now t...   Jun 5 2020, 09:51 PM
porschetub   I have been collecting parts for a few years now ...   Jun 6 2020, 12:07 AM
Chris914n6   Cross country I got a little better than 25 mpg w...   Jun 5 2020, 10:40 PM
stevesc_us   Pete, You’ve seen my car at the EASY get togeth...   Jun 5 2020, 11:32 PM
gereed75   My carbed 2.4 in S trim runs good, pulls smoothly ...   Jun 6 2020, 05:53 AM
roblav1   A problem with carbs and MFI is that a lot of unat...   Jun 6 2020, 06:52 AM
horizontally-opposed   A problem with carbs and MFI is that a lot of una...   Jun 6 2020, 11:22 AM
jd74914   [quote name='roblav1' post='2822540' date='Jun 6 ...   Jun 6 2020, 01:58 PM
mb911   I plan to do 1 of 2 things on my car.. Use my webe...   Jun 6 2020, 06:52 AM
Mark Henry   I plan to do 1 of 2 things on my car.. Use my web...   Jun 7 2020, 06:34 AM
sixnotfour   https://www.x-faktory.com/store/p3/EFI_Kit_RHD-EFI...   Jun 6 2020, 01:36 PM
roblav1   I paid $300 for 8 low mileage Suzuki ITBs, wi...   Jun 6 2020, 03:24 PM
sixnotfour   http://forums.pelicanparts.com/search.php?do=proce...   Jun 6 2020, 03:42 PM
mepstein   I would give Al a call about his x-faktory kit and...   Jun 6 2020, 03:46 PM
sixnotfour   Als a great guy , would make a great article too. ...   Jun 6 2020, 04:14 PM
roblav1   I've got the same cams as Mark in my Carrera 3...   Jun 7 2020, 07:22 AM
Mark Henry   I've got the same cams as Mark in my Carrera ...   Jun 7 2020, 08:36 AM
roblav1   I've got the same cams as Mark in my Carrera...   Jun 7 2020, 09:19 AM
horizontally-opposed   I can see where PMO carbs are attractive to someon...   Jun 7 2020, 10:07 AM
echocanyons   I have essentially the same setup as Steve in my 9...   Jun 7 2020, 12:17 PM
horizontally-opposed   I have essentially the same setup as Steve in my ...   Jun 7 2020, 12:53 PM
Chris914n6   MS3pro is a completely different system than the M...   Jun 7 2020, 12:48 PM


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