Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

8 Pages V < 1 2 3 4 5 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Time to un-DAPO the "new" car, Bad things happened to a nice car
BillC
post Jul 11 2020, 04:19 PM
Post #41


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



Today I worked on reinstalling the fresh air box. With a new top gasket and intake screen (came on '74 and later 914s), it was every bit the royal pain that they said it was. But, here is the box installed:
Attached Image

Because it was such a pain to get the two bolts installed, I had to get creative. I got the driver-side bolt in okay, but couldn't get the box high enough to get the passenger-side bolt in. So, I decided to make a "mini jack" with a tall socket and a brake pad spreader.
Attached Image
This got it up high enough to get the last bolt in.

Then, I connected the cable to the fan box. This was almost as big a pain as installing the box itself. No pics, since I had to do the job basically by feel.

Then, the hoses were reinstalled. First the paper hoses to the ventilation system and then the drain hoses. One of the old hoses broke, so I had to get new hoses (from AA). Unfortunately, they don't quite match the old ones, so I'll order some from 914Rubber, next time I place an order.
Attached Image
Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BillC
post Jul 12 2020, 02:39 PM
Post #42


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



Time to tackle the hacked-in hole by the foot pedals. Here's what it looked like before I started:
Attached Image

I didn't really want to cut another hole in the car, but there was no way I was going to be able to reform the hacked metal without an access hole on top of the center column. The bit in the top of the hole is the old accelerator cable -- the liner was stuck in the tube and I needed the access hole to get the liner out through the front end of the tube. Once I'm all done with the welding and painting, I'll make a panel to cover the hole, which will be attached with butyl rubber so it can be accessed in the future.
Attached Image

Here's the hole and the patch (what was originally cut loose) after reshaping.
Attached Image

And the patch fitted in place. There's a copper bar behind the patch, to act as a temporary backing plate for the welding.
Attached Image

Patch welded and then ground.
Attached Image
Attached Image

Here's what the clutch tube looked like:
Attached Image

Even though the clutch tube still looks well-attached, I decided I might as weld in a support strap while I had easy access to it. I bent a piece of 3/16" wire into a loop about 5/8" inside diameter. Then, I drilled two holes, above and below the clutch tube, and placed the strap.
Attached Image

Here's the strap welded to the tube support. Not the greatest welding job (access wasn't good, even with the access hole), but it should hold.
Attached Image

On the outside of the center column, you can see where the strap protruded.
Attached Image

So I trimmed the ends of the strap in preparation for welding:
Attached Image

Here's the final result, after welding and grinding:
Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
914werke
post Jul 12 2020, 03:00 PM
Post #43


"I got blisters on me fingers"
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 9,995
Joined: 22-March 03
From: USofA
Member No.: 453
Region Association: Pacific Northwest



Good idea on the Wire support.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Superhawk996
post Jul 12 2020, 03:58 PM
Post #44


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,726
Joined: 25-August 18
From: Woods of N. Idaho
Member No.: 22,428
Region Association: Galt's Gulch



Like the wire support execution.

My donor tunnel came with two threaded rod hooks made and had nuts external to the tunnel to pull them tight. Rather unelegant but functional.

I like your solution since it won't be visible of leave a wart on the side of the tunnel. Nice Job. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

Out of caution you might want to make sure that the weld penetration hasn't entered the clutch tube which would cause the cable to hang up later on when trying to feed it though. Check now if you're not sure. Better to find out now rather than later when access is limited again.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BillC
post Jul 12 2020, 07:17 PM
Post #45


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jul 12 2020, 05:58 PM) *

Like the wire support execution.

Thanks, but it's basically the same idea as the cable clamp Clay Perrine suggested way-back-when, just without the nuts.

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jul 12 2020, 05:58 PM) *
Out of caution you might want to make sure that the weld penetration hasn't entered the clutch tube which would cause the cable to hang up later on when trying to feed it though.

Excellent suggestion -- already tested it and no impingement inside the tube.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ClayPerrine
post Jul 12 2020, 09:50 PM
Post #46


Life's been good to me so far.....
***************

Group: Admin
Posts: 15,394
Joined: 11-September 03
From: Hurst, TX.
Member No.: 1,143
Region Association: NineFourteenerVille



QUOTE(BillC @ Jul 12 2020, 08:17 PM) *

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jul 12 2020, 05:58 PM) *

Like the wire support execution.

Thanks, but it's basically the same idea as the cable clamp Clay Perrine suggested way-back-when, just without the nuts.

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jul 12 2020, 05:58 PM) *
Out of caution you might want to make sure that the weld penetration hasn't entered the clutch tube which would cause the cable to hang up later on when trying to feed it though.

Excellent suggestion -- already tested it and no impingement inside the tube.


Betty and I installed the cable clamp in her car back when we were first married, over 30 years ago. We didn't have the money, time or location to tear the tunnel apart and fix it right. It is still on the car, but the car is in the body shop now so I am going to have them fix it right when the rest of the body work is done.

User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BillC
post Jul 13 2020, 07:17 PM
Post #47


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



And now, let's go after this lovely bunch of holes:
Attached Image

First step is to cut access holes in the outer three layers:
Attached Image

I found this little surprise inside the first layer. You can just see it in the bottom of the hole in the above picture. It's one of the bits that was hole cut -- it fell inside and was left there. Unfortunately, it's useless as a patch, so it goes in the scrap bin.
Attached Image

Second layer access:
Attached Image
The cut pieces for the first two layers will be saved and welded back in later.

Then, the third layer.
Attached Image
Once I got a little further into making the patch for the innermost hole, I realized I needed to make the third layer hole a little larger. I'll just make a larger patch later.

Now it's time to make a patch for the innermost layer, the heat duct tube. This is the masking tape method. First, put masking tape over the hole:
Attached Image

Then, use an x-acto knife and cut out the tape over the hole:
Attached Image

Remove the cut piece and place it on a piece of sheet metal:
Attached Image

Then, cut out the piece of sheet metal, and you have your patch:
Attached Image
Attached Image

Since this patch goes on a tube, I found a socket that's about the same diameter as the tube and shaped the patch over the socket.
Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BillC
post Jul 13 2020, 07:29 PM
Post #48


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



The lovely bunch of holes, continued:

Here's the first patch in place. The screw is used as a handle to place the patch. After the patch is tacked in place, the screw will be removed and the hole welded over.
Attached Image

And all welded up:
Attached Image
I'm not going to bother grinding down the welds inside the hole. No one will see them once this is all done, and they will add a little strength.

I use the masking tape method to make all of the patches to replace missing metal. I'll spare you the repeated steps and just show each major step completed.

Here's the third layer patch completed:
Attached Image

The first part of the second layer patch -- re-attaching the piece that was cut out for access:
Attached Image

And the finish of the second layer patch:
Attached Image

That's enough for tonight. I'll tackle the outer layer patches tomorrow.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Superhawk996
post Jul 14 2020, 07:50 AM
Post #49


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,726
Joined: 25-August 18
From: Woods of N. Idaho
Member No.: 22,428
Region Association: Galt's Gulch



(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

Like the screw as a handle. Still had to have been fun trying to place tacks in that tight space!

Maybe shoot some Eastwood Internal frame coating or something similar into that outer reinfocement to lock down the rust progression while access is easy?

Photo's like this always make me laugh. No such thing as rust free 914's. You just can't see it . . . . yet. It's always lurking inside these sorts of cavities.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
kroelofsen
post Jul 14 2020, 11:53 AM
Post #50


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 100
Joined: 27-June 19
From: The Netherlands
Member No.: 23,255
Region Association: Europe



(IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) Nice work...!
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BillC
post Jul 14 2020, 12:35 PM
Post #51


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jul 14 2020, 09:50 AM) *
Like the screw as a handle. Still had to have been fun trying to place tacks in that tight space!

Nope, not much fun at all. My legs and neck were very sore and stiff after that was all done, just from the contortions needed to make the welds. But, I was trying hard to keep the holes as small as possible.

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jul 14 2020, 09:50 AM) *
Maybe shoot some Eastwood Internal frame coating or something similar into that outer reinfocement to lock down the rust progression while access is easy?

It wasn't shown, but I've been spraying rust-converter paint inside each layer right before I seal them up. I do have the Eastwood Internal Frame coating, which will be applied inside the heat tube and inside the longitudinal through the factory access holes inside the passenger compartment.

QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jul 14 2020, 09:50 AM) *
Photo's like this always make me laugh. No such thing as rust free 914's. You just can't see it . . . . yet. It's always lurking inside these sorts of cavities.

Someone here quipped a while ago that "rust free 914" just means the seller isn't charging for the rust. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) )
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
bkrantz
post Jul 14 2020, 08:29 PM
Post #52


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,724
Joined: 3-August 19
From: SW Colorado
Member No.: 23,343
Region Association: Rocky Mountains



Be fair! I am sure most 914s were free of rust for at least a few weeks after leaving the assembly line.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BillC
post Jul 15 2020, 04:34 PM
Post #53


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



QUOTE(bkrantz @ Jul 14 2020, 10:29 PM) *

Be fair! I am sure most 914s were free of rust for at least a few weeks after leaving the assembly line.

There's an old story out there on the internet, from a Porsche factory manager, where he said that at the end of the day, after all the lights, fans and other noises were turned off, he could actually hear the cars rusting on the production line.

Since I know everyone is just dying with anticipation to see the end of the "lovely holes" fix, here it is:

Yesterday, I welded in the outer layer patches. Didn't get anything else done since CINC-House had other plans.
Attached Image

Today, I ground the welds down and then primed the patch.
Attached Image
Attached Image
Once the epoxy primer dries, I'll hit it with some high-build primer, sand it smooth and the holes will be gone.

I also installed the new Tangerine Racing stainless steel fuel lines. While I was in the engine compartment, I found this stunning example of prime DAPO-ism:
Attached Image
Instead of proper rubber grommets, they sleeved the holes with aluminum flashing. They did put some thought and effort into this, shaping the aluminum to hold the hoses centered and also not fall out. Just too bad they didn't think to do it properly. SMH
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BillC
post Jul 17 2020, 04:52 PM
Post #54


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



Time to do more work on the fuel system.

First, need to fit a new vinyl overflow tube to the gas tank (the old one was broken off too short). This was kind of a pain, since the tube has to stretch quite a bit to fit over the nipple. But, here's the result:
Attached Image

Next, is to mount the fuel pump and fuel filter. I'm mounting them up front, and need to make sure everything will fit and clear. I'm using a Tangerine Racing fuel pump mount. I decided to also make a mount for the metal fuel filter. Here's how I did it.

First, start with a strip of aluminum, 1" wide by 2.5" long and fold a "Z" bend in the middle:
Attached Image

Then, shape one end over a socket:
Attached Image

Here's the finished bracket:
Attached Image

And, all the brackets mounted:
Attached Image

I'll install fuel lines and run wires tomorrow.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Superhawk996
post Jul 18 2020, 08:43 AM
Post #55


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,726
Joined: 25-August 18
From: Woods of N. Idaho
Member No.: 22,428
Region Association: Galt's Gulch



(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Cupomeat
post Jul 18 2020, 09:05 AM
Post #56


missing my NY 914 in VA
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,336
Joined: 26-November 07
From: Oakton VA
Member No.: 8,376
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



Love this thread! Thankfully I've had my 914 for 33 yrs, but I have to admit that somedays i am fixing things that I did wrong when I was 17yrs old...

That makes me the DACO!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
barefoot
post Jul 18 2020, 02:13 PM
Post #57


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,268
Joined: 19-March 13
From: Charleston SC
Member No.: 15,673
Region Association: South East States



Next, is to mount the fuel pump and fuel filter. I'm mounting them up front, and need to make sure everything will fit and clear. I'm using a Tangerine Racing fuel pump mount. I decided to also make a mount for the metal fuel filter. Here's how I did it.

And, all the brackets mounted
Attached Image

[/quote]

I hope you won't have to remove the fuel tank next time a new filter is needed ??
Mine are just behind the opening in the front firewall where there's access (late years fuel pump mounting area)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BillC
post Jul 18 2020, 06:27 PM
Post #58


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



QUOTE(Cupomeat @ Jul 18 2020, 11:05 AM) *

Love this thread!

Thanks! Sometimes I wonder if anyone's reading this or if I'm just wasting electrons.

QUOTE(barefoot @ Jul 18 2020, 04:13 PM) *

I hope you won't have to remove the fuel tank next time a new filter is needed ??
Mine are just behind the opening in the front firewall where there's access (late years fuel pump mounting area)

Yes, the tank will need to come out for a filter or pump replacement. However, it does mean that there's no need to cut a big hole in the firewall. And, given the car's current "toy" status, the fresh new screen inside the tank and how long modern fuel filters tend to last, that will probably be the next owner's problem.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
BillC
post Jul 18 2020, 06:27 PM
Post #59


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 534
Joined: 24-April 15
From: Silver Spring, MD
Member No.: 18,667
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region



Anyway, finally got the pump, filter and hoses installed. Also ran a pair of wires from the rear to the front to power the pump. Here's what it looks like, before the tank goes in:
Attached Image
I ran the wires through the center tunnel, and drilled a hole in the bulkhead to connect to the pump. I fitted a grommet to protect the wires (can be seen in the above pic).

Since the snorkel tube was cracked open, I took advantage of the break to run the wires through it and up into the engine compartment.
Attached Image

Once the pump wires were run, I decided to fix the snorkel. If you are very careful with CA glue, the factory rubber bits glue together nicely. A tip for accurately placing the glue is to put a drop on the tip of a small screwdriver and then use the screwdriver to spread the glue. And, work in small sections, starting at the ends of the crack and work towards the center.
Attached Image
Almost as good as new.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
bkrantz
post Jul 18 2020, 08:33 PM
Post #60


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 7,724
Joined: 3-August 19
From: SW Colorado
Member No.: 23,343
Region Association: Rocky Mountains



QUOTE(BillC @ Jul 18 2020, 06:27 PM) *

QUOTE(Cupomeat @ Jul 18 2020, 11:05 AM) *

Love this thread!

Thanks! Sometimes I wonder if anyone's reading this or if I'm just wasting electrons.

QUOTE(barefoot @ Jul 18 2020, 04:13 PM) *

I hope you won't have to remove the fuel tank next time a new filter is needed ??
Mine are just behind the opening in the front firewall where there's access (late years fuel pump mounting area)

Yes, the tank will need to come out for a filter or pump replacement. However, it does mean that there's no need to cut a big hole in the firewall. And, given the car's current "toy" status, the fresh new screen inside the tank and how long modern fuel filters tend to last, that will probably be the next owner's problem.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)


Don't worry--we are definitely reading.

Did you consider mounting the pump on the underside of the floor panel (above the steering rack)?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

8 Pages V < 1 2 3 4 5 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 20th April 2024 - 04:53 AM