Potentially concerning cracks in between front quarter panel and door area |
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Potentially concerning cracks in between front quarter panel and door area |
macnichol |
Jun 29 2020, 02:25 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 12-June 20 From: Indianapolis, IN Member No.: 24,372 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Hi, saw these cracks on my project 914, are these any cause for concern?
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nditiz1 |
Jun 29 2020, 02:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,177 Joined: 26-May 15 From: Mount Airy, Maryland Member No.: 18,763 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
They are supposed to be there and someone put filler over them.
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bbrock |
Jun 29 2020, 02:30 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Looks like somebody filled that seam with bondo. It is suppose to be open with a plastic seal pressed in. Hopefully it just cracked from normal body flex but I'd dig it out to make sure water didn't get trapped in there and start rusting.
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brant |
Jun 29 2020, 02:30 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,603 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
looks like bondo most likely
the cowl area may be the hardest area for rust repair those seams were not supposed to be filled with bondo chip it out and see how bad the structure below is this can be a VERY difficult area to repair. brant |
Mikey914 |
Jun 29 2020, 02:58 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
Dig what you can out and survey. Maybe you will get lucky and just have some surface rust. It doesn't take much to get cracks there in bondo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png)
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Tdskip |
Jun 29 2020, 03:34 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,678 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Welcome and don’t be shy with questions.
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UROpartsman |
Jun 29 2020, 04:14 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 22-October 15 From: Simi Valley, CA Member No.: 19,288 Region Association: None |
What's the best way to remove Bondo in a seam like that? Heat with a propane torch and then scrape out the bulk of it with a narrow screwdriver or chisel, followed by a wire wheel?
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dakotaewing |
Jun 29 2020, 04:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,160 Joined: 8-July 03 From: DeSoto, Tx Member No.: 897 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Be careful not to "Buger up" the inside of the seam digging the bondo out. You don't want to mess that seam up if it's not eaten up with rust, other wise you will be making a lot of work for yourself -
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tvdinnerbythepool |
Jun 29 2020, 05:51 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 310 Joined: 24-July 18 From: Olympia, WA Member No.: 22,336 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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FlacaProductions |
Jun 29 2020, 06:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,550 Joined: 24-November 17 From: LA Member No.: 21,628 Region Association: Southern California |
And here's where to get it - and what the seal itself looks like.
https://900designs-container.zoeysite.com/f...-to-cowl-seal-1 |
roblav1 |
Jun 29 2020, 08:13 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 528 Joined: 18-September 12 From: KY Member No.: 14,943 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Since the front fenders are spot welded on anyway, I tig those gaps up with thin sheets of steel... welded like the factory prototype.
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framos914 |
Jun 29 2020, 10:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 15-May 14 From: Corona California Member No.: 17,353 Region Association: Southern California |
Another possibility is that the hood flew open while driving damaging the cowl and when they repaired it the gaps were filled in with bondo. Might explain the large crack on drivers side.
How do I know? This happened to my first 914 back in 79. Girlfriend left beach towel over front latch when she closed the hood. At about 45 MPH the hood was in my face. She wasn't my girlfriend after that. Body shop did an excellent job repairing the cowl with the gaps and reinstaling original rubber piece. It's possible. |
Mikey914 |
Jul 1 2020, 12:56 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
Now that I look at it closer you have something lurking here.
Heat it with a torch and use a dental pic. Looks like there is some metal work to be done. Attached thumbnail(s) |
davep |
Jul 1 2020, 02:18 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,137 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
Okay, first of all since the car is a 1970, what is the VIN? If the VIN is very early. say under 500, then there is the possibility that there was no gap in there originally. After about the first 450 cars they had the gap with the plastic filler. If the panels are getting loose, or just rotting underneath then cracks can appear and rust sets in. You will need to get everything down to good metal and see what damage has to be repaired. First though, you need to know which fender & cowl version you have. Also, try and get a photo of the paint badge on the L door hinge post. The upper set of numbers is a body #, and the lower is the paint code. If too hard to photograph, just report all the numbers to me.
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windforfun |
Jul 1 2020, 03:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,771 Joined: 17-December 07 From: Blackhawk, CA Member No.: 8,476 Region Association: None |
I removed those plastic "seals" a long time ago. They don't really keep the moisture out & then prevent it from evaporating.
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Mikey914 |
Jul 1 2020, 04:05 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
One of the reasons we made ours rubber (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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