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Bang, push, pull or cut? |
Tdskip |
Aug 21 2020, 12:20 PM
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rjames |
Aug 21 2020, 12:45 PM
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I'm made of metal Group: Members Posts: 3,932 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Try pulling, you can always cut.
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Dobbsy |
Aug 21 2020, 12:48 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 22-May 14 From: West Midlands Member No.: 17,382 Region Association: England |
I would recommend watching some Youtube videos on paintless dent repair, PDR. I know your not bothered about the paint but it will show you where to start, they are usually really good at explaining where to hit the crowns. You will be surprised what they can achieve.
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Tdskip |
Aug 21 2020, 01:04 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Thanks guys, YouTube for coaching is a good suggestion.
The car is extremely solid so the door gap being a bit tight at the top seems dent related rather than body structure. Think that requires some pulling/pushing out... @rjames - good point, it I really mess it up would need to cut anyway (and I have the panel). |
Front yard mechanic |
Aug 21 2020, 08:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 23-July 15 From: New Mexico Member No.: 18,984 Region Association: None |
A 2x4 with a smoothed out edge would be a good start
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Tdskip |
Aug 21 2020, 08:08 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
A 2x4 with a smoothed out edge would be a good start To beat up the rest of the car so it looks equally bashed in? Some help you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif) |
bkrantz |
Aug 21 2020, 08:48 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,761 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I would try pulling, preferably with a bunch of weld-on studs and a big slide hammer.
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bbrock |
Aug 21 2020, 09:03 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I honestly am thinking 2x4 also. Reach it up in there to get the end under that upper dent. Use a small block as a fulcrum and see if you can push/pop that upper dent out. If you are successful, you'll be 90% home. Of course I'd research on Youtube first in case there is a better way.
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914e |
Aug 21 2020, 10:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 496 Joined: 21-February 20 From: Arizona Member No.: 23,951 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I would recommend watching some Youtube videos on paintless dent repair, PDR. I know your not bothered about the paint but it will show you where to start, they are usually really good at explaining where to hit the crowns. You will be surprised what they can achieve. I second that recommendation, the paintless dent videos helped me understand how to work the panel stresses out. |
914e |
Aug 21 2020, 11:24 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 496 Joined: 21-February 20 From: Arizona Member No.: 23,951 Region Association: Southwest Region |
A 2x4 with a smoothed out edge would be a good start To beat up the rest of the car so it looks equally bashed in? Some help you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif) I used a rounded 2x4 to get my rear wheel well clearance equal. I used a sander to just give it a slight curve on the 4" face of the 12" piece then rounded the edges pretty heavy. I wanted a large area pressing on the fender without risking an edge the 2x4 creating a crease. Then put a 12" square piece 3/4" to spread the load with a scissor jack between them. Then just slowly pushed it out with the jack, working back and forth across the wheel well till it matched the other side. A scissor jack won't fit in there but and inflatable air wedge will. Then just start working that crown. It will take a few hours, just go slow and don't stretch the metal. |
Andyrew |
Aug 22 2020, 02:01 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Pay a PDR guy $100 bucks, watch him knock it out in 10 minutes.
I would say a 2x4 vertically for support about 6" rearward of the dent. Then another 2x4 Only work the top and bottom. The bottom is very sharp so you might need something equally as sharp like a large prybar or tire iron. |
Tdskip |
Aug 22 2020, 07:01 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Thanks for all of the ideas and responses. Inflatable wedge is a clever idea (as are the others).
I sent pictures off to a couple local PDR guys and they all ran screaming - apparently this is unattractive work compared to what they can charge new BMW owners. Can't say I really blame them but a touch frustrating. Will keep shaking that tree. |
bbrock |
Aug 22 2020, 08:11 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Only work the top and bottom. The bottom is very sharp so you might need something equally as sharp like a large prybar or tire iron. ^^^^^ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I see two small dents here, not one large one. Bump those out and the rest will fall into place. |
Tdskip |
Aug 22 2020, 08:56 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Only work the top and bottom. The bottom is very sharp so you might need something equally as sharp like a large prybar or tire iron. ^^^^^ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I see two small dents here, not one large one. Bump those out and the rest will fall into place. Good point/observation gentlemen, thank you. |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Aug 22 2020, 09:25 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,856 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
certainly a good paintless dent man first, they work miracles, then you may have to heat shrink and body work but not too bad
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Tdskip |
Aug 22 2020, 09:43 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Thank you George
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Mark Henry |
Aug 22 2020, 10:49 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
More fabrication then dent repair but best vid's are Fitzee's Fabrications
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914e |
Aug 22 2020, 10:58 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 496 Joined: 21-February 20 From: Arizona Member No.: 23,951 Region Association: Southwest Region |
After watching this one Porsche Macan, Paintless Dent Removal I watched watched a bunch before trying the techniques with regular body hammers and dollies the next weekend. Standard body repairs are more brute force without trying to reverse how the metal folded into the dent. So it tends to get stretched which then you have to shrink.
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bbrock |
Aug 22 2020, 11:11 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
After watching this one Porsche Macan, Paintless Dent Removal I watched watched a bunch before trying the techniques with regular body hammers and dollies the next weekend. Standard body repairs are more brute force without trying to reverse how the metal folded into the dent. So it tends to get stretched which then you have to shrink. Along those lines, this book is old as dirt but fantastic for just that reason. It goes through a lot on how to read the damage and reverse it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com-20845-1598116290.1.jpg) https://www.amazon.com/Martin-BFB-Bumping-M...n/dp/B001GUZP4O |
EdwardBlume |
Aug 22 2020, 11:54 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California |
About a gallon of bondo? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
BTDT on dads car. Almost indentical. Tried pulling it, but really screwed it up. The upper part of the dent is at a harder bend angle and was tougher to move. Ended up taking it to a pro which is what you should do. Love the idea of a dent pro. They can be magicians. Are you going to paint the inside or texture? I personally hate the textured fenders vs the paint, but it really depends on what you do with it. Good luck. |
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