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> Valve Train Geometry with Cam., Beating a dead horse.
jaredmcginness
post Sep 8 2020, 01:14 PM
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Hey guys,

Making headway on my 1911 build (no pun intended).

I have a few valve train questions. I've researched this a good bit the last few days and read a couple informative threads on here with some info (including one by @nditiz1 that went through a very similar issue)

I am trying to not over complicate this, so my tiny brain can make sense.

I was having an issue with my rockers, posted a photo of my heads on the 914world facebook group and got a great response from J. Raby with a lot of helpful info.
It seems I bit off a bit more than I can chew with valve train geometry.
(I understand he wrote a dissertation about Valve Geometry a number of years ago, but I cannot seem to find it.)

It does not surprise me that the fella/shop who built my bottom end didn't go into too much detail about this. He basically laid the numbers out and said "If I have X amount of cam lift, we need to machine the heads for dual springs to achieve X amount of clearance. All there is too it."

Maybe there is a bit more involved than that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Specs:
-1911 (96x66mm)
-51cc heads - fresh.
-Scat c35 .495 Lift
-Scat solid lifters
-Scat dual HD springs, head machined.


Recommended additional purchases by Jake:

All available at Type4Store
-911 Swivel Foot / Machine rockers .060
-Solid Spacer and shims. Byebye rocker spring.
-8mm HD studs for strength.

Question:
With all of this added, it seems like the heads will be much more sound, and be able to handle the possibly over-sized lift on the cam.


-I have seemingly completed a proper valve adjustment using the "Lobe per lobe" technique. (I.E. Intake 3 fully open, adjust opposite rockers on 1) I cannot find a lot of info on the right way to do an adjustment with a large cam. Thoughts?
My TDC mark on the flywheel doesn't match up with the valves due to the ramp of this cam. (I think I understand that right)


-Does this geometry affect my pushrods? They SEEM to be working fine at their length. Do I need "chromoly"? Is this for strength and + cut to size?
I read all these threads on the Samba of guys running large cams with stock rods. (probably my engine builder posting that stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif))

I would just like to do this right the first time.


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Sounds like this motor is going to run like scat if I don't wrap my head around this and study a bit more. I'm really proud of what I have learned so far building this 914.
But I am just at the tip of the iceberg.

Feel free to just tell me to use the search function. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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jaredmcginness   Valve Train Geometry with Cam.   Sep 8 2020, 01:14 PM
nditiz1   Hey Jared, I myself need to go back to my notes o...   Sep 8 2020, 02:08 PM
jaredmcginness   First, thank you for the awesome and thought out r...   Sep 8 2020, 04:08 PM
mepstein   Thanks Jake! Posted with permission: Here it ...   Sep 8 2020, 03:11 PM
jaredmcginness   Thanks Jake! Posted with permission: Here it...   Sep 8 2020, 04:10 PM
Jake Raby   Thanks Jake! Posted with permission: Here it...   Sep 14 2020, 08:53 AM
VaccaRabite   good stuff clipped... [url=http://www.914world....   Sep 14 2020, 10:41 AM
VaccaRabite   In short. You need cut to length pushrods. You nee...   Sep 8 2020, 08:52 PM
krazykonrad   Admins, can we nail this thread? This is literally...   Sep 9 2020, 06:28 AM
mepstein   Admins, can we nail this thread? This is literall...   Sep 9 2020, 07:40 AM
jaredmcginness   Admins, can we nail this thread? This is literall...   Sep 9 2020, 08:21 AM
VaccaRabite   Admins, can we nail this thread? This is literal...   Sep 9 2020, 08:44 AM
VaccaRabite   One more thing: TAKE PICTURES and post them up of...   Sep 9 2020, 08:49 AM
barefoot   Here's my dial indicator set-up, very low budg...   Sep 10 2020, 07:18 AM
Olympic 914   Using magnetic mount.   Sep 10 2020, 07:56 AM
VaccaRabite   :agree: Note how Olympic had the tip of the indica...   Sep 10 2020, 11:01 AM
jaredmcginness   Hey guys, I posted this info in my build thread, ...   Sep 23 2020, 05:31 AM
VaccaRabite   Its been too long since I set the spacers on my ro...   Sep 23 2020, 08:19 AM
nditiz1   When I had Tabari (theSamba) clearence the sides o...   Sep 23 2020, 08:55 AM
jaredmcginness   Hey guys, Thanks for the advice. I cut about 30q...   Sep 23 2020, 06:58 PM
jaredmcginness   Hey guys, Back at the Adjustment today. I milled ...   Sep 25 2020, 03:56 PM
nditiz1   Looking good Jared. I think I was able to capture...   Sep 25 2020, 04:48 PM
jaredmcginness   Okay Nick... so I missed that. Looking for valve a...   Sep 25 2020, 05:44 PM
nditiz1   You can confirm by throwing your old adjust in the...   Sep 25 2020, 06:11 PM
jaredmcginness   Morning, I finished up the part of the valve trai...   Sep 27 2020, 09:36 AM


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