Why I hate carbs, Stuck open float on Elwood |
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Why I hate carbs, Stuck open float on Elwood |
ClayPerrine |
Sep 21 2020, 01:00 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,367 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Saturday we took Elwood to cars and coffee. We were leaving early so we could stop and get some breakfast on the way.
Betty started the car up, and we left. We didn't make it off our street before we started smelling gas and Betty said that there was no power. So we turned around and pulled back into the driveway. I immediately took off the air cleaner, and found that the rear float had stuck open on the right hand carb. The bores were full of gas, and there was a nice geyser out of the vent tube when the pump was on. I immediately unplugged the CD box, and using a rubber mallet and some targeted percussive maintenance, I was able to un-stick the float. So now I have to clear out all the gas. The gas had gotten down into the cylinders and the engine was hydraulically locked. So I pull the plugs on that side to empty out the cylinders. So we can join the action as Betty and I try to clear the flooded cylinders, courtesy of our ring camera: View on YouTube (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif) And that, my friends, is another reason for me to hate carburetors! |
poorsche914 |
Sep 21 2020, 01:13 PM
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T4 Supercharged Group: Members Posts: 3,087 Joined: 28-May 09 From: Smoky Mountains Member No.: 10,419 Region Association: South East States |
Great choice of shirt, Betty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
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Superhawk996 |
Sep 21 2020, 01:17 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,673 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Clay -- I'm glad you're alright and didn't get an eye full of gas or worse. You've had a rough year.
But you gotta admit that video is funny. 1) Wife helping push -- You did well. Betty is a keeper. Any woman that will help with repairs or help push is awsome partner. 2) The gas geyser itself. I had carbs on my original teener for a decade and never had anything like that occur. I probably wouldn't have belived you but the video is priceless. Again, very sorry all of this happened but thanks for posting it. It really made me chuckle! You gotta love the quirks of vintage cars and carbs. I agree with you on FI being the cat's meow. However, the failure mode of FI is that a crank sensor just dies randomly and then your walking. Not exactly an ideal failure mode. Fortunately, it is a very rare occurrence but I've been there done that too! I also need to commit percussive maintenance to my list of sayings that are priceless. |
ClayPerrine |
Sep 21 2020, 01:32 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,367 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Clay -- I'm glad you're alright and didn't get an eye full of gas or worse. You've had a rough year. But you gotta admit that video is funny. 1) Wife helping push -- You did well. Betty is a keeper. Any woman that will help with repairs or help push is awsome partner. 2) The gas geyser itself. I had carbs on my original teener for a decade and never had anything like that occur. I probably wouldn't have belived you but the video is priceless. Again, very sorry all of this happened but thanks for posting it. It really made me chuckle! You gotta love the quirks of vintage cars and carbs. I agree with you on FI being the cat's meow. However, the failure mode of FI is that a crank sensor just dies randomly and then your walking. Not exactly an ideal failure mode. Fortunately, it is a very rare occurrence but I've been there done that too! I also need to commit percussive maintenance to my list of sayings that are priceless. No gas in the eyes..... that is a small advantage of wearing glasses. Betty is a 914 person. She has owned one longer than I have, and she has done maintenance on them when I was unable. She can handle almost anything I can on a car. She admits that I am much faster, though. And yes, the video is funny. That's why I wanted to share it with friends. Clay |
nditiz1 |
Sep 21 2020, 01:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,164 Joined: 26-May 15 From: Mount Airy, Maryland Member No.: 18,763 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Not to play devils advocate, but while troubleshooting a no start issue on my 914 djet engine I thought it was the battery that had failed and that's why it would not turn over the engine. Upon further diagnosis, after buying a new Optima Red top, it was acting like it was locked up. I removed the spark plug to see it soaking wet letting me know the injector had failed and was filling up the cylinder with fuel. I also jetted gas out the side of the plug hole when turning it over to clear it out. Just an example of how it can happen with the other intake style. This doesn't make what happened any less crappy. Glad you were able to get the float unstuck.
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thelogo |
Sep 21 2020, 02:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,510 Joined: 6-April 10 Member No.: 11,572 Region Association: None |
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Cairo94507 |
Sep 21 2020, 02:14 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,650 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Amazing clarity and volume of your Ring. That was funny but only because you were OK. Carbs are cool but I got over that 30 years ago. Glad no damage was done to either party. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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bzettner |
Sep 21 2020, 04:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 211 Joined: 2-June 13 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 15,951 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Ah, but at least those of us in Texas both Saturday and Sunday got to enjoy some GREAT weather....hence, you could have been quite hot and sweaty AND smelling like gas!
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gereed75 |
Sep 21 2020, 04:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,233 Joined: 19-March 13 From: Pittsburgh PA Member No.: 15,674 Region Association: North East States |
Yea but it’s a six man! Gotta do what you gotta do!
Thanks for sharing and good work Betty! |
bkrantz |
Sep 21 2020, 09:13 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,666 Joined: 3-August 19 From: SW Colorado Member No.: 23,343 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
As they say, carburetor is French for __________. (Fill in the blank)
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Betty |
Sep 22 2020, 04:53 AM
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Driver Group: Members Posts: 509 Joined: 10-December 04 From: Hurst, TX Member No.: 3,255 Region Association: South East States |
Great choice of shirt, Betty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Only because you create great shirts! One must always match and accessorize according to the type and color car they are driving! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Betty |
Sep 22 2020, 04:56 AM
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Driver Group: Members Posts: 509 Joined: 10-December 04 From: Hurst, TX Member No.: 3,255 Region Association: South East States |
...Betty is a 914 person. She has owned one longer than I have, and she has done maintenance on them when I was unable. She can handle almost anything I can on a car. She admits that I am much faster, though. And yes, the video is funny. That's why I wanted to share it with friends. I'm just embarrassed I squeaked like a girl when it happened. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
Mark Henry |
Sep 22 2020, 06:25 AM
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VaccaRabite |
Sep 22 2020, 06:35 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,407 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I had a similar thing happen on my /4 when it was carbed. No geyser, but the float failed to close and gas flooded the bowl and the gas was bubbling out the stack. Didn't lock the engine though, so that was nice.
Was just another straw added to my back that was pushing me away from carbs towards Microsquirt. |
ClayPerrine |
Sep 22 2020, 10:36 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,367 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
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sixnotfour |
Sep 22 2020, 04:03 PM
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bretth |
Sep 22 2020, 04:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: 23-June 15 From: Central TX Member No.: 18,882 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Glad the issue was found quick. How can you be sure it won't happen again?
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ClayPerrine |
Sep 22 2020, 05:36 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,367 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
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Mark Henry |
Sep 22 2020, 07:27 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
It/s right in Paul Abbott's tech notes of how the float's valve lever arm can wear a divot in it that's prone to catching on the gross jets needle causing it to stick open.
The Italy weber ebay guy has amazing rebuild kits that include new floats. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/WEBER-40-IDA-IDTP-P...jYAAOSwImRYKmWI But there have been reports of E10 attacking the solder of the metal floats and they suggest you replace them with the plastic/foam (Spansil) floats if you can only get E10 gas in your area. You can buy just the floats but for the price why not just a whole kit. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/WEBER-40-IDA-IDTP-I...ukAAOSwqktdK-Je You can buy just the Spansil float for $25 each https://www.ebay.ca/itm/WEBER-40-IDA-IDS-ID...UkAAOSwj9JcTKLg |
914werke |
Sep 22 2020, 07:33 PM
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