Is this really goin to happen?, 2035 Phase Out all new gas cars Options

[ndfrigi]

as long we can keep existing gas cars especially our 914!

[horizontally-opposed]

So I've spoken with some folks at VW, who have mentioned that the only way the EV gamble pays off is volume—whether other manufacturers buying into their skateboard and infrastructure or something like this, where states or countries change what is allowed.

I am surprised but not surprised by the announcement today. I suspect it will have little if any impact on driving a 914 before 2050 or so (Elon, who is his own piece of work, estimates it will take 15 years after 2035 to replace most of the daily CA fleet with EVs).

As a car nut, I have mixed feelings on this. As a dad, I have very different feelings that go past what I want. CA was vilified for the catalyst, but it made massive improvements in CA air quality and, eventually, the world's air quality. They're saying half of our greenhouse emissions are still cars and trucks. We've got 44,000,000 people here. So that's a lot of emissions.

Would I prefer that other emitters are targeted? Sure. Would I prefer that other states and countries would have gone after some of the low-hanging fruit as early as CA did? Yep. Consider Germany, which didn't require catalysts until well into the 1980s? And then you get into heavy trucks, boats, planes, cows, etc etc.

But we are where we are.

I worry about the grid, but it has to be addressed (as we all know). May as well address it intelligently. Not naive enough to think solar is "the" solution, but we're making the switch next week. It's a parity deal, with the average of our electricity cost per month (at today's rates) going to a solar company for ten years on a system that should supply ~107% of our usage for 35~ years (and it's warranted for much of that period). A no-cost deal, with provision for a few more panels for…an EV one day. We're adding a battery, which is cost out of pocket, but a hedge against going dark again—which doesn't work for our business.

It isn't a solution that works for everyone, but it feels like a good move.

As for EVs? I am not particularly a fan—but I am not particularly a fan of the bland sea of new cars available these days anyway. With so few stick shifts, and so few cars rather than SUVs, is an EV so bad? A couple of days of touring Europe in a Taycan showed me otherwise, and I sure liked skipping the gas station in our TDI before it was recalled (sigh). When I got back from driving the Taycan, most workaday V6s, V8s, I4s, etc just sounded like noise pollution to me.

Sorry for the book, but we'll have access to a lot of cool cars for a long time to come. Our cars included. I view this move as potentially giving us a longer lease on fun driving. Will they actually be able to enact this by 2035? That remains to be seen...

[914_teener]

So I've spoken with some folks at VW, who have mentioned that the only way the EV gamble pays off is volume—whether other manufacturers buying into their skateboard and infrastructure or something like this, where states or countries change what is allowed.

I am surprised but not surprised by the announcement today. I suspect it will have little if any impact on driving a 914 before 2050 or so (Elon, who is his own piece of work, estimates it will take 15 years after 2035 to replace most of the daily CA fleet with EVs).

As a car nut, I have mixed feelings on this. As a dad, I have very different feelings that go past what I want. CA was vilified for the catalyst, but it made massive improvements in CA air quality and, eventually, the world's air quality. They're saying half of our greenhouse emissions are still cars and trucks. We've got 44,000,000 people here. So that's a lot of emissions.

Would I prefer that other emitters are targeted? Sure. Would I prefer that other states and countries would have gone after some of the low-hanging fruit as early as CA did? Yep. Consider Germany, which didn't require catalysts until well into the 1980s? And then you get into heavy trucks, boats, planes, cows, etc etc.

But we are where we are.

I worry about the grid, but it has to be addressed (as we all know). May as well address it intelligently. Not naive enough to think solar is "the" solution, but we're making the switch next week. It's a parity deal, with the average of our electricity cost per month (at today's rates) going to a solar company for ten years on a system that should supply ~107% of our usage for 35~ years (and it's warranted for much of that period). A no-cost deal, with provision for a few more panels for…an EV one day. We're adding a battery, which is cost out of pocket, but a hedge against going dark again—which doesn't work for our business.

It isn't a solution that works for everyone, but it feels like a good move.

As for EVs? I am not particularly a fan—but I am not particularly a fan of the bland sea of new cars available these days anyway. With so few stick shifts, and so few cars rather than SUVs, is an EV so bad? A couple of days of touring Europe in a Taycan showed me otherwise, and I sure liked skipping the gas station in our TDI before it was recalled (sigh). When I got back from driving the Taycan, most workaday V6s, V8s, I4s, etc just sounded like noise pollution to me.

Sorry for the book, but we'll have access to a lot of cool cars for a long time to come. Our cars included. I view this move as potentially giving us a longer lease on fun driving. Will they actually be able to enact this by 2035? That remains to be seen...

Nice post Pete....

I agree, even Porsche will provide a combustion engine for some time but the change is here and with most manufactures seeing the writing on the wall it will someday happen.

Having been born here in the Sixties....the catalytic coverter and eventually EV's will make our air better for the future. For me....I think with the recent smoke reminded me of what the air here used to be like most of the Summer and the damage it had done.

I remember back then when the cat converters came out the V8 guys were himming and hawing about it, how it woud ruin things ect.

Same stuff different decade....if you live long enough you may see some things twice.

If your lucky or blessed or both.