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Is this really goin to happen?, 2035 Phase Out all new gas cars |
ndfrigi |
Sep 23 2020, 02:36 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,928 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Orange County Member No.: 13,474 Region Association: Southern California |
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Sep 24 2020, 02:49 PM
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Old car....... older driver Group: Members Posts: 508 Joined: 10-July 04 From: San Diego Member No.: 2,332 Region Association: Southern California |
I love technology. In the 15 years until 2035, I'm sure we will have better battery technology, longer range electric vehicles, quicker recharge times and other improvements that I haven't even considered.
I don't yet own an electric vehicle, but would consider one when it made economic sense for my situation. I could envision an eclectic car for local operation but an ICE vehicle for long trips. Electric cars reportedly have fewer moving parts and lower maintenance. Lets assume that the governors order is carried out and by 2035 the ICE cars are no longer sold in CA, and that the majority of cars are electric. If you replace all the gasoline used to take care of the daily needs of Californians by electricity to charge the batteries of all of these cars, where does the charging current come from? The California grid is already experiencing rolling brown outs due to insufficient capacity. Not only must the transmission line capacity expand tremendously to accommodate all of that battery charging, but the generating capacity must also be expanded. What is the source of all of that new capacity? Few people seem to express concern about that issue. I don't know the math in equating the gasoline energy burned in cars to electrical energy for the same purpose but it must be enormous. Electric car technology is maturing fast and we already have some very good platforms. If we are going to power all of these cars using renewables, this is the great challenge as I see it. Otherwise we will be driving electric cars that receive their charge from a fossil fuel or nuclear source. |
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Sep 24 2020, 03:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 18-January 15 From: Grand Junction CO Member No.: 18,337 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I love technology. In the 15 years until 2035, I'm sure we will have better battery technology, longer range electric vehicles, quicker recharge times and other improvements that I haven't even considered. I don't yet own an electric vehicle, but would consider one when it made economic sense for my situation. I could envision an eclectic car for local operation but an ICE vehicle for long trips. Electric cars reportedly have fewer moving parts and lower maintenance. Lets assume that the governors order is carried out and by 2035 the ICE cars are no longer sold in CA, and that the majority of cars are electric. If you replace all the gasoline used to take care of the daily needs of Californians by electricity to charge the batteries of all of these cars, where does the charging current come from? The California grid is already experiencing rolling brown outs due to insufficient capacity. Not only must the transmission line capacity expand tremendously to accommodate all of that battery charging, but the generating capacity must also be expanded. What is the source of all of that new capacity? Few people seem to express concern about that issue. I don't know the math in equating the gasoline energy burned in cars to electrical energy for the same purpose but it must be enormous. Electric car technology is maturing fast and we already have some very good platforms. If we are going to power all of these cars using renewables, this is the great challenge as I see it. Otherwise we will be driving electric cars that receive their charge from a fossil fuel or nuclear source. Let's not assume all electricity needed to handle increased needs will come from the grid. Increasing efficiency and declining costs for private solar might allow a significant portion to come on-site from solar-equipped homes, offices and commercial buildings. Recharging for most EVs might come mostly overnight, when providers already offer lower rates due to decreased demand at off-times. Nor should we presume what we know now will be the limit in the future. Just look at the difference between the Volt and the Bolt. Evolution is our friend. Los Angeles, despite increased population, still gets by on about the same amount of water that was used in the 1970s because of changes in habits, improved technologies, evolving regulations and the realization that resources are finite. |
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