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Is this really goin to happen?, 2035 Phase Out all new gas cars |
ndfrigi |
Sep 23 2020, 02:36 PM
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andrewb |
Sep 25 2020, 04:37 AM
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Morning gents - thought I'd chip in with a view from the other side of the pond. Firstly - as Brent the Badger says - good to see a (mostly) thoughful and considered discussion. Over here it all tends to get a bit animated and shouty - but then we're a bit further down the electric road than you are (with possible exception of CA ?).
Secondly I have to declare an interest - I work in the EV sector - mostly modifying Leafs and eNV200 vans so I know them well either in bits on the workshop floor or on the road as a daily driver. But I'm still a petrolhead (gearhead in American ?) at heart with diesel and gas cars at home and a garage full of motorbikes and - of course - a 914 on jackstands. There's a lot of sense in the posts above - Brent's points about the environment and any reduction in pollution is a good thing in particular. This relates to a point many people miss - just because it doesn't work for everybody all of the time doesn't mean it's not a good idea for some people some of the time. To look at it from another point of view a Ford F-150 is a good idea for some people (900,000 sold each year ?) some of the time - but no-one is suggesting that means that everyone wants one or should have one. Likewise with EVs - it works for some, not for others. As the technology improves 'some' will become 'most'. But it will never suit everybody all of the time - no-one is claiming that it will. There will always be applications and people and places where an EV doesn't work. Fine - but is that really a reason to say that it's a bad idea and no-one and nowhere else should have them ? I also liked the Henry Ford quote about a faster horse. You can imagine that people were having the exact same conversations at the time "These car things are useless - you have go to a special place to put fuel in" " There aren't enough of those places to put fuel in" "I can get grass and apples anywhere - for free" etc etc. Amazing how we made the transition really isn't it ? The biggest - almost only - limiting factor of EV acceptance is range and therefore the battery technology so there is a general point to be made here. There is an awful lot of nonsense - much of it extremely out of date - spoken about issues concerning the mining of the raw materials, battery manufacture, recycling old batteries etc etc. There is also a lot of good information out there written by people who actually know what they are on about. I won't claim to be an expert - it's a highly specialised and technical field which is changing all the time - so I'll simply link to the youtube channel of a battery electrochemist called Euan McTurk. https://www.youtube.com/c/pluglifetelevision I've tried to stay away from specifics because it can get personal but there are a couple of points I have to address. 1. I see statements that people will buy an EV when they can drive 1000 miles between charges. Why ? How often do you need to do that ? Does your ICE do that ? Can you do that ? 2. 'Used EVs are worthless' Not here - quite a thriving secondhand market and many dealers who only deal in EVs. In fact prices for used diesels are dropping rapidly. Actually any argument based on costs is going to be out of date quite quickly because of the technological advancements which lead to cost savings and the legislative changes which don't always follow logic and often have unintended consequences. If you've read through all that I'll finish with a quote from another great American: "Don't believe everything you read on the internet" (Abraham Lincoln) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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