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> Is this really goin to happen?, 2035 Phase Out all new gas cars
ndfrigi
post Sep 23 2020, 02:36 PM
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as long we can keep existing gas cars especially our 914!


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post Sep 25 2020, 10:39 AM
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I recently realized that the reason I love driving an EV so much is that I love efficiency. I'm lazy. I try to do every task in the minimum amount of time possible. I love tools that are highly efficient.

Recouping energy each time I coast to a stoplight? Efficient!

My Tesla has a 60kwh battery and can go about 185mi on a full charge (was rated 208mi when new; this is after 7+ years and 78K miles). A gallon of gasoline contains about 36kwh of energy. That means I'm driving my car 180+ miles using the equivalent of less than two gallons of gasoline. In a vehicle that weighs 4,500lb. The best ICEs convert about 30% of the energy into forward motion. The electric motor converts 95%+. Efficiency.

And for all the concern about 20-30 minute "quick charge" times... I more than make up for those by eliminating the weekly 5-10 minute stops. Get home, plug in, go to bed, wake up, tank is full.

Battery density will improve. You can buy a Tesla today with 400 miles of range, or put down a deposit on one with 500+ mi. And Porsche has taken the lead on fast charging. By 2035, there will be plenty of EVs on the market with ranges of 300, 400, or 500+ miles per charge, and fast charging to the tune of 85% charge in 10-15 minutes.

All that said, I'm a little skeptical that California will stick with the 2035 date. EVs today are capable of 90% of the driving trips done by most individuals. By 2035 they'll be capable of somewhere closer to 99%. Bring it on.
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ndfrigi   Is this really goin to happen?   Sep 23 2020, 02:36 PM
bretth   :stromberg: :jester: :shoot2kill:   Sep 23 2020, 03:26 PM
Racer   Already happening in Europe. I believe no later th...   Sep 23 2020, 03:33 PM
914werke   kNNoJT_ACs0   Sep 23 2020, 03:44 PM
Olympic 914   the Last Chase. Features Porsche racer vs Jet fig...   Sep 23 2020, 04:04 PM
brcacti   The world has been changing FAST lately. So I am ...   Sep 23 2020, 04:11 PM
Superhawk996   :rotfl:   Sep 23 2020, 04:14 PM
horizontally-opposed   So I've spoken with some folks at VW, who have...   Sep 23 2020, 04:33 PM
914_teener   So I've spoken with some folks at VW, who hav...   Sep 23 2020, 04:50 PM
thelogo   Talk about bad /stupid timing w..t..f. Deal with p...   Sep 23 2020, 05:02 PM
Bleyseng   Talk about bad /stupid timing w..t..f. Deal with ...   Sep 26 2020, 11:47 AM
bbrock   Talk about bad /stupid timing w..t..f. Deal with...   Sep 26 2020, 12:26 PM
rhodyguy   I'll prob be dead by then. I don't care an...   Sep 23 2020, 05:14 PM
bkrantz   I'll prob be dead by then. I don't care a...   Sep 23 2020, 08:55 PM
914werke   :toke:   Sep 23 2020, 05:24 PM
914_7T3   From today's news release, "The executi...   Sep 23 2020, 10:00 PM
Robarabian   Not being political... legal analysis only... but...   Sep 23 2020, 10:41 PM
Jim C   Not being political... legal analysis only... bu...   Sep 24 2020, 06:18 AM
914_teener   Not being political... legal analysis only... bu...   Sep 24 2020, 01:13 PM
dhuckabay   Lost this when I did it before. Agree with Rhody,...   Sep 23 2020, 11:04 PM
larryM   :confused: one might guess that Elon & Gavim...   Sep 23 2020, 11:16 PM
dhuckabay   Sorry to add to this. Bought a 1996 993T in SF. ...   Sep 23 2020, 11:19 PM
Maltese Falcon   No worries, our gov is in total control of his fac...   Sep 23 2020, 11:26 PM
bretth   It is always 'we won't make it illegal...   Sep 23 2020, 11:29 PM
Jeff Hail   I was thinking on the lines of Outlaws, lots of Ou...   Sep 24 2020, 12:03 AM
VegasRacer   Hell I got my first ticket the day I got my driv...   Sep 24 2020, 12:31 AM
Superhawk996   I was thinking on the lines of Outlaws, lots of O...   Sep 24 2020, 05:28 AM
sechszylinder   I guess, that besides allowing to sell only ev car...   Sep 24 2020, 12:24 AM
JamesM   Honestly speaking, I‘m quite sure, that cheap ...   Sep 24 2020, 09:04 AM
Racer   As Jay Leno has mentioned several times... ICE car...   Sep 24 2020, 05:49 AM
Coondog   Sorry just don’t see big oil letting this happen...   Sep 24 2020, 05:55 AM
daytona   In my humble opinion, it is unlikely to happen by ...   Sep 24 2020, 06:02 AM
Racer   The grid is not of concern. If there is money to b...   Sep 24 2020, 06:23 AM
Coondog   Sorry but in Calif the grid is the problem. Calif...   Sep 24 2020, 07:03 AM
mepstein   I think cities will be the first to change. First ...   Sep 24 2020, 07:25 AM
horizontally-opposed   Nice to see this conversation veer away from polit...   Sep 24 2020, 07:34 AM
bbrock   Nice to see this conversation veer away from poli...   Sep 24 2020, 08:29 AM
Jim C   Nice to see this conversation veer away from pol...   Sep 24 2020, 08:39 AM
restore2seater   Something else to ponder: companies popping up to ...   Sep 24 2020, 08:06 AM
Racer   As for a cheap EV? you can buy a used Leaf for le...   Sep 24 2020, 08:10 AM
Chris914n6   The Leaf is a throw away car from the get go. Chea...   Sep 24 2020, 11:15 AM
JamesM   An affordable EV made to fit everyone's needs...   Sep 24 2020, 01:19 PM
Chris914n6   Today we have the compact Bolt, Mini, 500e, Prius,...   Sep 24 2020, 04:47 PM
JamesM   You cant really talk about much of a used market t...   Sep 25 2020, 10:29 AM
Chris914n6   I like the ID.4, and it competes with the Tiguan. ...   Sep 25 2020, 04:58 PM
Andyrew   Were phasing out of the ugly past 10 years with E ...   Sep 24 2020, 08:39 AM
dcheek   Forget politics, forget the environment. forget an...   Sep 24 2020, 08:40 AM
Tdskip   Forget politics, forget the environment. forget a...   Sep 26 2020, 12:45 PM
Tom   This is a difficult subject for us who grew up as ...   Sep 24 2020, 09:05 AM
Mark Henry   It's going to happen to new cars sooner or lat...   Sep 24 2020, 09:05 AM
JamesM   It's going to happen to new cars sooner or la...   Sep 24 2020, 01:34 PM
horizontally-opposed   Really curious to know more about the longevity of...   Sep 24 2020, 10:02 AM
bbrock   Really curious to know more about the longevity o...   Sep 24 2020, 01:10 PM
Racer   My point with the Leaf, despite its limits, is tha...   Sep 24 2020, 12:02 PM
mrholland2   Just think about how far EV and other zero or near...   Sep 24 2020, 12:05 PM
RARE 6   Another real elephant in the room, whatever we end...   Sep 24 2020, 01:33 PM
flipb   Didn't California mandate solar roofs on all n...   Sep 24 2020, 01:51 PM
horizontally-opposed   Didn't California mandate solar roofs on all ...   Sep 24 2020, 02:13 PM
slivel   I love technology. In the 15 years until 2035, I...   Sep 24 2020, 02:49 PM
RARE 6   I love technology. In the 15 years until 2035, I...   Sep 24 2020, 03:52 PM
dcheek   I want to clarify my position on EV's (like an...   Sep 24 2020, 03:15 PM
thelogo   [quote name='dcheek' date='Sep 24 2020...   Sep 24 2020, 04:42 PM
Nojoah   I've seen lots of comments from people in CA a...   Sep 24 2020, 03:19 PM
jd74914   I've seen lots of comments from people in CA ...   Sep 24 2020, 03:30 PM
horizontally-opposed   I've seen lots of comments from people in CA ...   Sep 24 2020, 04:04 PM
Nojoah   If society gets it right, the ones who live in p...   Sep 24 2020, 04:26 PM
mobymutt   I bought a Soul EV about 5 years ago. From a comm...   Sep 24 2020, 04:29 PM
mepstein   We've always had laws that set the boundaries....   Sep 24 2020, 05:45 PM
76-914   I finally read this post today and I can't hel...   Sep 24 2020, 06:05 PM
bbrock   I live in one of those cold, rural places and I do...   Sep 24 2020, 07:37 PM
andrewb   Morning gents - thought I'd chip in with a vie...   Sep 25 2020, 04:37 AM
Superhawk996   I've tried to stay away from specifics becau...   Sep 25 2020, 06:01 AM
horizontally-opposed   [quote name='andrewb' post='2854148' date='Sep 25...   Sep 25 2020, 10:13 AM
914_teener   Morning gents - thought I'd chip in with a vi...   Sep 25 2020, 02:22 PM
VaccaRabite   You don't have to go 15 years back. Commercia...   Sep 25 2020, 08:44 AM
Tdskip   I generally stay out of discussions like this beca...   Sep 25 2020, 08:55 AM
bdstone914   I would like to see electric postal vehicles. See...   Sep 25 2020, 09:04 AM
Superhawk996   I would like to see electric postal vehicles. Se...   Sep 25 2020, 09:16 AM
horizontally-opposed   I would like to see electric postal vehicles. Se...   Sep 25 2020, 10:22 AM
Racer   fwiw, I imagine the youth will be highly receptive...   Sep 25 2020, 09:26 AM
flipb   I recently realized that the reason I love driving...   Sep 25 2020, 10:39 AM
Root_Werks   Was big into electric cars a number of years back....   Sep 25 2020, 10:50 AM
VaccaRabite   Was big into electric cars a number of years back...   Sep 25 2020, 11:29 AM
Racer   I've come to like this guy - Engineering Expl...   Sep 25 2020, 11:18 AM
rhodyguy   The future money will be in H2O. Not crude.   Sep 25 2020, 11:22 AM
bbrock   I don't think the middle of the country will b...   Sep 25 2020, 01:39 PM
AZBanks   I am waiting to see what shakes out for long term ...   Sep 25 2020, 03:17 PM
914_teener   I am waiting to see what shakes out for long term...   Sep 25 2020, 03:24 PM
914werke   Not to further muddy the waters but keep in mind ...   Sep 25 2020, 04:26 PM
horizontally-opposed   I was wondering when someone was going to commen...   Sep 25 2020, 05:57 PM
914_teener   I was wondering when someone was going to comme...   Sep 25 2020, 06:14 PM
Superhawk996   It's hard to know what one loses when one li...   Sep 26 2020, 07:24 AM
bbrock   Not to further muddy the waters but keep in mind...   Sep 25 2020, 08:04 PM
914werke   I'm not sure why we would single out EV as a ...   Sep 25 2020, 08:20 PM
rhodyguy   The power grid will NEVER support a massive switch...   Sep 26 2020, 01:13 PM
Tdskip   Time to end the tax credits for EVs, have REAL ma...   Sep 26 2020, 02:14 PM
Rav914   The power grid will NEVER support a massive switc...   Sep 26 2020, 01:26 PM
Rav914   Electric '68 911. Good business opportunity. ...   Sep 26 2020, 01:39 PM
horizontally-opposed   The move to EVs may actually end up helping the gr...   Sep 26 2020, 02:16 PM
rhodyguy   20" box fans fitted with 20x20 MERV13 electro...   Sep 26 2020, 02:29 PM
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