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> Is this really goin to happen?, 2035 Phase Out all new gas cars
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post Sep 23 2020, 02:36 PM
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as long we can keep existing gas cars especially our 914!


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The move to EVs may actually end up helping the grid.

People aren't going to want to pay for the electricity to charge their cars, even at overnight rates—so they will be more inclined to look at solar installs to go with their EVs.

We're installing solar next week even though we don't have an EV and have no plans to make the leap just yet. It works out to an extra $11/month over the next ten years paid to the solar company instead of PG&E—locking in 2020 rates for a system that generates 107% of our current electricity usage and makes installing a few more panels for a possible EV in the next years really easy. System has a 25-year warranty and a projected useful life of 35~ years. So, we might see 15-25 years of free electricity.

In light of the above, solar has "arrived" in my view. It makes financial sense.

What prompted us to pull the trigger was the fact that our mid-century house has super inefficient 1960s windows. Cost to replace them is $50k to $100k, and even the expensive stuff doesn't look right on a mid-century house. It also creates a bunch of waste for our local landfill. What if, I thought, we no longer have to pay for the electricity to heat and cool the house? My interest in solar grew from there.

We'll be adding a home battery, which is cash out of pocket, but seems like a good hedge after the blackouts. We need to keep our business going, and throwing everything in the freezer out last time was pretty lame. So was watching all of the gas stations on Van Ness in SF close after you couldn't pump gas in other neighboring counties. And now, with the specter of having to keep our windows shut for days or weeks at a time, the option to filter our air in the house is also pretty appealing.

I don't want to depend on PG&E anymore—or wait for the state to fix it for me, for that matter. I look at all this a bit like a chance for America to unite at get something GOOD done. We can do this, individually and collectively.
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ndfrigi   Is this really goin to happen?   Sep 23 2020, 02:36 PM
bretth   :stromberg: :jester: :shoot2kill:   Sep 23 2020, 03:26 PM
Racer   Already happening in Europe. I believe no later th...   Sep 23 2020, 03:33 PM
914werke   kNNoJT_ACs0   Sep 23 2020, 03:44 PM
Olympic 914   the Last Chase. Features Porsche racer vs Jet fig...   Sep 23 2020, 04:04 PM
brcacti   The world has been changing FAST lately. So I am ...   Sep 23 2020, 04:11 PM
Superhawk996   :rotfl:   Sep 23 2020, 04:14 PM
horizontally-opposed   So I've spoken with some folks at VW, who have...   Sep 23 2020, 04:33 PM
914_teener   So I've spoken with some folks at VW, who hav...   Sep 23 2020, 04:50 PM
thelogo   Talk about bad /stupid timing w..t..f. Deal with p...   Sep 23 2020, 05:02 PM
Bleyseng   Talk about bad /stupid timing w..t..f. Deal with ...   Sep 26 2020, 11:47 AM
bbrock   Talk about bad /stupid timing w..t..f. Deal with...   Sep 26 2020, 12:26 PM
rhodyguy   I'll prob be dead by then. I don't care an...   Sep 23 2020, 05:14 PM
bkrantz   I'll prob be dead by then. I don't care a...   Sep 23 2020, 08:55 PM
914werke   :toke:   Sep 23 2020, 05:24 PM
914_7T3   From today's news release, "The executi...   Sep 23 2020, 10:00 PM
Robarabian   Not being political... legal analysis only... but...   Sep 23 2020, 10:41 PM
Jim C   Not being political... legal analysis only... bu...   Sep 24 2020, 06:18 AM
914_teener   Not being political... legal analysis only... bu...   Sep 24 2020, 01:13 PM
dhuckabay   Lost this when I did it before. Agree with Rhody,...   Sep 23 2020, 11:04 PM
larryM   :confused: one might guess that Elon & Gavim...   Sep 23 2020, 11:16 PM
dhuckabay   Sorry to add to this. Bought a 1996 993T in SF. ...   Sep 23 2020, 11:19 PM
Maltese Falcon   No worries, our gov is in total control of his fac...   Sep 23 2020, 11:26 PM
bretth   It is always 'we won't make it illegal...   Sep 23 2020, 11:29 PM
Jeff Hail   I was thinking on the lines of Outlaws, lots of Ou...   Sep 24 2020, 12:03 AM
VegasRacer   Hell I got my first ticket the day I got my driv...   Sep 24 2020, 12:31 AM
Superhawk996   I was thinking on the lines of Outlaws, lots of O...   Sep 24 2020, 05:28 AM
sechszylinder   I guess, that besides allowing to sell only ev car...   Sep 24 2020, 12:24 AM
JamesM   Honestly speaking, I‘m quite sure, that cheap ...   Sep 24 2020, 09:04 AM
Racer   As Jay Leno has mentioned several times... ICE car...   Sep 24 2020, 05:49 AM
Coondog   Sorry just don’t see big oil letting this happen...   Sep 24 2020, 05:55 AM
daytona   In my humble opinion, it is unlikely to happen by ...   Sep 24 2020, 06:02 AM
Racer   The grid is not of concern. If there is money to b...   Sep 24 2020, 06:23 AM
Coondog   Sorry but in Calif the grid is the problem. Calif...   Sep 24 2020, 07:03 AM
mepstein   I think cities will be the first to change. First ...   Sep 24 2020, 07:25 AM
horizontally-opposed   Nice to see this conversation veer away from polit...   Sep 24 2020, 07:34 AM
bbrock   Nice to see this conversation veer away from poli...   Sep 24 2020, 08:29 AM
Jim C   Nice to see this conversation veer away from pol...   Sep 24 2020, 08:39 AM
restore2seater   Something else to ponder: companies popping up to ...   Sep 24 2020, 08:06 AM
Racer   As for a cheap EV? you can buy a used Leaf for le...   Sep 24 2020, 08:10 AM
Chris914n6   The Leaf is a throw away car from the get go. Chea...   Sep 24 2020, 11:15 AM
JamesM   An affordable EV made to fit everyone's needs...   Sep 24 2020, 01:19 PM
Chris914n6   Today we have the compact Bolt, Mini, 500e, Prius,...   Sep 24 2020, 04:47 PM
JamesM   You cant really talk about much of a used market t...   Sep 25 2020, 10:29 AM
Chris914n6   I like the ID.4, and it competes with the Tiguan. ...   Sep 25 2020, 04:58 PM
Andyrew   Were phasing out of the ugly past 10 years with E ...   Sep 24 2020, 08:39 AM
dcheek   Forget politics, forget the environment. forget an...   Sep 24 2020, 08:40 AM
Tdskip   Forget politics, forget the environment. forget a...   Sep 26 2020, 12:45 PM
Tom   This is a difficult subject for us who grew up as ...   Sep 24 2020, 09:05 AM
Mark Henry   It's going to happen to new cars sooner or lat...   Sep 24 2020, 09:05 AM
JamesM   It's going to happen to new cars sooner or la...   Sep 24 2020, 01:34 PM
horizontally-opposed   Really curious to know more about the longevity of...   Sep 24 2020, 10:02 AM
bbrock   Really curious to know more about the longevity o...   Sep 24 2020, 01:10 PM
Racer   My point with the Leaf, despite its limits, is tha...   Sep 24 2020, 12:02 PM
mrholland2   Just think about how far EV and other zero or near...   Sep 24 2020, 12:05 PM
RARE 6   Another real elephant in the room, whatever we end...   Sep 24 2020, 01:33 PM
flipb   Didn't California mandate solar roofs on all n...   Sep 24 2020, 01:51 PM
horizontally-opposed   Didn't California mandate solar roofs on all ...   Sep 24 2020, 02:13 PM
slivel   I love technology. In the 15 years until 2035, I...   Sep 24 2020, 02:49 PM
RARE 6   I love technology. In the 15 years until 2035, I...   Sep 24 2020, 03:52 PM
dcheek   I want to clarify my position on EV's (like an...   Sep 24 2020, 03:15 PM
thelogo   [quote name='dcheek' date='Sep 24 2020...   Sep 24 2020, 04:42 PM
Nojoah   I've seen lots of comments from people in CA a...   Sep 24 2020, 03:19 PM
jd74914   I've seen lots of comments from people in CA ...   Sep 24 2020, 03:30 PM
horizontally-opposed   I've seen lots of comments from people in CA ...   Sep 24 2020, 04:04 PM
Nojoah   If society gets it right, the ones who live in p...   Sep 24 2020, 04:26 PM
mobymutt   I bought a Soul EV about 5 years ago. From a comm...   Sep 24 2020, 04:29 PM
mepstein   We've always had laws that set the boundaries....   Sep 24 2020, 05:45 PM
76-914   I finally read this post today and I can't hel...   Sep 24 2020, 06:05 PM
bbrock   I live in one of those cold, rural places and I do...   Sep 24 2020, 07:37 PM
andrewb   Morning gents - thought I'd chip in with a vie...   Sep 25 2020, 04:37 AM
Superhawk996   I've tried to stay away from specifics becau...   Sep 25 2020, 06:01 AM
horizontally-opposed   [quote name='andrewb' post='2854148' date='Sep 25...   Sep 25 2020, 10:13 AM
914_teener   Morning gents - thought I'd chip in with a vi...   Sep 25 2020, 02:22 PM
VaccaRabite   You don't have to go 15 years back. Commercia...   Sep 25 2020, 08:44 AM
Tdskip   I generally stay out of discussions like this beca...   Sep 25 2020, 08:55 AM
bdstone914   I would like to see electric postal vehicles. See...   Sep 25 2020, 09:04 AM
Superhawk996   I would like to see electric postal vehicles. Se...   Sep 25 2020, 09:16 AM
horizontally-opposed   I would like to see electric postal vehicles. Se...   Sep 25 2020, 10:22 AM
Racer   fwiw, I imagine the youth will be highly receptive...   Sep 25 2020, 09:26 AM
flipb   I recently realized that the reason I love driving...   Sep 25 2020, 10:39 AM
Root_Werks   Was big into electric cars a number of years back....   Sep 25 2020, 10:50 AM
VaccaRabite   Was big into electric cars a number of years back...   Sep 25 2020, 11:29 AM
Racer   I've come to like this guy - Engineering Expl...   Sep 25 2020, 11:18 AM
rhodyguy   The future money will be in H2O. Not crude.   Sep 25 2020, 11:22 AM
bbrock   I don't think the middle of the country will b...   Sep 25 2020, 01:39 PM
AZBanks   I am waiting to see what shakes out for long term ...   Sep 25 2020, 03:17 PM
914_teener   I am waiting to see what shakes out for long term...   Sep 25 2020, 03:24 PM
914werke   Not to further muddy the waters but keep in mind ...   Sep 25 2020, 04:26 PM
horizontally-opposed   I was wondering when someone was going to commen...   Sep 25 2020, 05:57 PM
914_teener   I was wondering when someone was going to comme...   Sep 25 2020, 06:14 PM
Superhawk996   It's hard to know what one loses when one li...   Sep 26 2020, 07:24 AM
bbrock   Not to further muddy the waters but keep in mind...   Sep 25 2020, 08:04 PM
914werke   I'm not sure why we would single out EV as a ...   Sep 25 2020, 08:20 PM
rhodyguy   The power grid will NEVER support a massive switch...   Sep 26 2020, 01:13 PM
Tdskip   Time to end the tax credits for EVs, have REAL ma...   Sep 26 2020, 02:14 PM
Rav914   The power grid will NEVER support a massive switc...   Sep 26 2020, 01:26 PM
Rav914   Electric '68 911. Good business opportunity. ...   Sep 26 2020, 01:39 PM
horizontally-opposed   The move to EVs may actually end up helping the gr...   Sep 26 2020, 02:16 PM
rhodyguy   20" box fans fitted with 20x20 MERV13 electro...   Sep 26 2020, 02:29 PM
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