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> Weapons grade versus more subtle 914/6 builds
Tdskip
post Oct 5 2020, 07:55 AM
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So it certainly appears if one uses BAT as a reference point that weapons grade 914/6 builds have been fully excepted as “worthy” the Porsche market.

Nearly all of those builds, however, have been high dollar endeavors, and while highly impressive machines many of them seem a bit compromised for actual road use or touring.

Any thoughts on where 3.0 and 3.2 L builds that are not taken to the max now trade?
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post Oct 5 2020, 04:59 PM
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@mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a "mild" 914/6 conversion or is it call big $?
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post Oct 6 2020, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE(Tdskip @ Oct 5 2020, 06:59 PM) *

@mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a "mild" 914/6 conversion or is it call big $?

The shop where I used to work does 98% aircooled 911. The majority of the conversions are 3.2/3.4 or 3.6/3.8. These days, 911 guys want the big engines so it's mostly 3.8's. They've done one 914-6 conversion even though the owner is a 914 fan and has two 914 race cars. Most of the shop builds are $2-300K so it's well beyond what most 914 are looking for. I don't think the website has been updated for a while but they are at -
www.rswerks.com
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QUOTE(Tdskip @ Oct 5 2020, 03:59 PM) *

@mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a "mild" 914/6 conversion or is it call big $?


An excellent question....

The customers for "mild" conversions are out there, whether due to taste or budget. One of the coolest examples I've found is this car—I find it really, really appealing…on par with some of the best flared conversions out there but for different reasons.

https://patrickmotorsports.com/blogs/news/9...road-rally-trim

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The shop where I used to work does 98% aircooled 911. The majority of the conversions are 3.2/3.4 or 3.6/3.8. These days, 911 guys want the big engines so it's mostly 3.8's. They've done one 914-6 conversion even though the owner is a 914 fan and has two 914 race cars. Most of the shop builds are $2-300K so it's well beyond what most 914 are looking for. I don't think the website has been updated for a while but they are at -
www.rswerks.com


Cost to build a mild or a wild six conversion isn't all that different if both are all inclusive (metal work + full paint + interior + engine/trans + suspension/brakes/wheels/tires). So I can see why most builds go wild (big six, flares, etc), and not sure I could resist myself. Suspect the nice narrow cars are a bit like a John Willhoit 356B or C coupe. Same $350-500k ballpark for a complete restoration, but on a car that will likely never be able to justify that cost. But the person wants what they want, for whatever reason (nostalgia, utility, subtlety, etc), and is willing to pay for it because there's no exact alternative. As I understand it, the Willhoit cars trade between Willhoit customers at a super premium over analogous cars—because those patrons know how long and how many $ it takes to do one of those cars.

I don't see that happening—on that level—for the 914 world, as the 356 and 911 are just different beasts. Is anyone doing $150-250k in metal work on a 914 (before paint!) as yet?

What's funny to me about the 914 is that, the more time I've spent in various Porsches, the better it holds up. This goes for 356s, 911s of all eras, the "ultimate" Porsches, the race cars, RSRs, etc. Not saying it's better, but it holds up surprisingly well given the "press" it always got. I didn't expect that, as I always accepted the idea that my 914 was a "starter kit" Porsche to budding Porsche enthusiasts, the one you discard as you as you get that used 911 SC, or whatever. But as other Porsches have come and gone, whether as press cars or my own cars, the 914 is the one I've kept, and the one I keep coming back to. Its branding heritage—for those who care—is a mess, but its identity is clear. Both as a Porsche design and engineering project, and as a simply fantastic sports car.
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Tdskip   Weapons grade versus more subtle 914/6 builds   Oct 5 2020, 07:55 AM
Racer   BAT is an outlier of many things.. Their writing a...   Oct 5 2020, 08:15 AM
mepstein   BAT is an outlier of many things.. Their writing ...   Oct 5 2020, 09:28 AM
porschetub   [quote name='Racer' post='2856777' date='Oct 5 20...   Oct 5 2020, 09:52 PM
Tdskip   Thanks for the thoughtful and insightful reply. Th...   Oct 5 2020, 09:04 AM
Tdskip   Is the take away from that one sale that you need ...   Oct 5 2020, 09:29 AM
mepstein   Is the take away from that one sale that you need...   Oct 5 2020, 11:20 AM
horizontally-opposed   Is the take away from that one sale that you need...   Oct 5 2020, 02:58 PM
VaccaRabite   UNless you are building to sell, build the car you...   Oct 5 2020, 09:45 AM
Tdskip   UNless you are building to sell, build the car yo...   Oct 5 2020, 09:47 AM
eric9144   I think it's interesting how few of the ...   Oct 5 2020, 11:41 AM
Cairo94507   We have all seen some really well done conversion ...   Oct 5 2020, 01:22 PM
horizontally-opposed   Fwiw, I have driven a lot of weapons-grade 914s, b...   Oct 5 2020, 03:00 PM
Tdskip   @horizontally-opposed - thanks for the thoughtful...   Oct 5 2020, 03:21 PM
eric9144   Sold for $52k + fees for beautifully present...   Oct 5 2020, 03:57 PM
Tdskip   @mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ...   Oct 5 2020, 04:59 PM
mepstein   @mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ...   Oct 6 2020, 05:50 AM
Tdskip   @mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ...   Oct 6 2020, 05:58 AM
horizontally-opposed   @mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ...   Oct 6 2020, 10:23 AM
Coondog   While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored t...   Oct 6 2020, 07:24 AM
mepstein   While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored ...   Oct 6 2020, 07:38 AM
horizontally-opposed   While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored ...   Oct 6 2020, 09:43 AM
ClayPerrine   As the builder of a "Weapons Grade" conv...   Oct 6 2020, 09:44 AM
eric9144   While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored...   Oct 6 2020, 09:48 AM
horizontally-opposed   [quote name='horizontally-opposed' post='285...   Oct 6 2020, 09:58 AM
eric9144   Nearly all of those builds, however, have been hi...   Oct 6 2020, 10:25 AM
horizontally-opposed   On the "touring use" side of things.....   Oct 6 2020, 10:58 AM
ClayPerrine   Ironically it has an audiophile stereo installat...   Oct 6 2020, 11:47 AM
Cairo94507   Hi @eric9144 - I understand about engine noise i...   Oct 6 2020, 10:54 AM
Mueller   At certain price points potential buyers expect a ...   Oct 6 2020, 11:24 AM
Mark Henry   Do you plan to drive it, show it or flip it? My 3...   Oct 6 2020, 11:35 AM
Cairo94507   I installed a period correct Blaupunkt with the st...   Oct 6 2020, 12:48 PM
Coondog   I settled my long drive noise issues with two opti...   Oct 6 2020, 01:04 PM
Cairo94507   Hi Greg - Yeah, I wear soft ear plugs already. :...   Oct 6 2020, 01:35 PM
VegasRacer   The only way to come out on top financially is to ...   Oct 6 2020, 01:45 PM
Superhawk996   Watching with interest. I may be the last build...   Oct 6 2020, 02:01 PM
racer914   Watching with interest. I may be the last buil...   Oct 8 2020, 01:01 PM
eric9144   Watching with interest. I may be the last buil...   Oct 6 2020, 02:18 PM
Tdskip   Great discussion gentlemen, really appreciate all ...   Oct 6 2020, 03:37 PM
mepstein   It should be easy to make a 3.2 build quiet and co...   Oct 6 2020, 03:51 PM
john77   @eric9144 what a stunning car. I started flaring ...   Oct 6 2020, 04:25 PM
Gint   I'm putting a 2.7 with CIS in my /6. I always...   Oct 6 2020, 05:05 PM
sixnotfour   my first was a six...soooooooooooooo never really ...   Oct 6 2020, 05:18 PM
RickS   3.0 with Webbers conversion, front oil cooler, rea...   Oct 6 2020, 08:15 PM
john77   My car is pretty similar to yours, although with a...   Oct 6 2020, 10:29 PM
Gint   Ok, now that I've read the entire thread inste...   Oct 6 2020, 09:53 PM
Tdskip   It will be interesting to see some narrow body /6 ...   Oct 7 2020, 07:36 AM
mepstein   I don’t think there will be a mad rush to build ...   Oct 7 2020, 09:13 AM
Tdskip   Professionals know that, but there are a lot of ar...   Oct 7 2020, 09:16 AM
Marv's3.6six   I too have my weapons grade 3.6 hot rod, it was bu...   Oct 7 2020, 10:27 AM
eric9144   Does the front valance have the cut out for the o...   Oct 7 2020, 10:44 AM
Coondog   I was running this one for a while but I wasn’t ...   Oct 7 2020, 11:26 AM
slivel   From track only car to street hotrod. I added an ...   Oct 7 2020, 12:45 PM
cali914   From track only car to street hotrod. I added an...   Oct 15 2020, 11:45 PM
Tdskip   Nice builds gentlemen. How much interior sound de...   Oct 7 2020, 12:51 PM
Coondog   Nice builds gentlemen. How much interior sound d...   Oct 7 2020, 06:21 PM
Tdskip   Nice builds gentlemen. How much interior sound ...   Oct 7 2020, 06:36 PM
Gint   Took out back pad, installed dynamat and low pi...   Oct 7 2020, 06:40 PM
john77   Thanks @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p...   Oct 7 2020, 01:02 PM
Coondog   Thanks @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index....   Oct 7 2020, 06:14 PM
Coondog   Patrick Motor Sports.   Oct 7 2020, 08:25 PM
Gint   Stocking item or build to order?   Oct 7 2020, 09:00 PM
Coondog   One off for my car. Leather imported from Italy.   Oct 7 2020, 09:06 PM
Gint   Very nice. I like those a lot. Found your thread...   Oct 7 2020, 09:08 PM
davehg   I have one build under my belt, a 3.2, and another...   Oct 8 2020, 12:38 AM
ClayPerrine   I sorta kinda don’t give a rats ass what puris...   Oct 8 2020, 10:49 AM
horizontally-opposed   …it makes more fiscal sense to buy one that so...   Oct 8 2020, 12:17 PM
Tdskip   Was speaking with an engine builder recently, who...   Oct 8 2020, 02:46 PM
Superhawk996   . . . and won't touch mag cases anymore—be...   Oct 8 2020, 03:08 PM
horizontally-opposed   :lol4: When you start talking about 6.0L+ ma...   Oct 8 2020, 03:20 PM
Tdskip   Thanks for the post and pictures Dave. Very cool. ...   Oct 8 2020, 02:34 AM
eric9144   There is no way I will come out ahead on either o...   Oct 8 2020, 09:42 AM
horizontally-opposed   Anyway, to the OP's question, it is a question...   Oct 8 2020, 03:26 PM
Tdskip   An agreed to value policy is critical for anything...   Oct 9 2020, 08:05 AM
horizontally-opposed   It does seem to me that homebrew, even if except...   Oct 9 2020, 10:41 AM
gereed75   Mine is a hot rod driver quality original six. Ver...   Oct 9 2020, 10:50 AM
pencap914   I'm just starting my 914/6 conversion, and nee...   Oct 9 2020, 10:53 AM
JeffBowlsby   I have looked the other way on this thread long en...   Oct 9 2020, 11:08 AM
Tdskip   I have looked the other way on this thread long e...   Oct 10 2020, 06:51 AM
mepstein   Marty's car. Weapon of mass destruction. :hea...   Oct 9 2020, 01:21 PM
Sway Bar   Marty's car. Weapon of mass destruction. :he...   Oct 9 2020, 01:46 PM
Cairo94507   Well, if that phrase ever applied to a 914, it wou...   Oct 9 2020, 02:10 PM
john77   The gold 2.9 twin plug on bringatrailer just sold ...   Oct 9 2020, 03:32 PM
Mueller   The gold 2.9 twin plug on bringatrailer just sold...   Oct 9 2020, 03:55 PM
Cairo94507   That sold for almost what I thought it would. I w...   Oct 9 2020, 04:54 PM
john77   Yeah, it looks like a gorgeous build. Seems like a...   Oct 9 2020, 05:31 PM
Tdskip   Going back up for sale I bet, $125k plus aski...   Oct 10 2020, 06:49 AM
Tdskip   Here we go; More subtle 914/6 on BAT   Oct 10 2020, 08:41 AM
Tdskip   One day left but still quite cheap as far as these...   Oct 15 2020, 08:33 AM
horizontally-opposed   One day left but still quite cheap as far as thes...   Oct 15 2020, 09:15 AM
horizontally-opposed   One day left but still quite cheap as far as thes...   Oct 16 2020, 10:03 AM
horizontally-opposed   To Jeff's earlier point, I appreciate him rais...   Oct 15 2020, 12:00 PM
Tdskip   I certainly did not intend to offend anyone by usi...   Oct 15 2020, 12:01 PM
Cairo94507   I was not the least offended by the phrase. To me...   Oct 15 2020, 12:28 PM
Tdskip   I have to embarrassingly admit I’ve been watchin...   Oct 16 2020, 01:04 PM
Tdskip   $43,000 no sale. Seems to me like it should ...   Oct 16 2020, 04:50 PM
Mueller   $43,000 no sale. Seems to me like it should...   Oct 16 2020, 04:59 PM
Gint   I had that in my head at $40k. It's a gr...   Oct 16 2020, 04:58 PM
horizontally-opposed   $43k no sale is an interesting data point for...   Oct 17 2020, 10:30 AM
Gint   $43k + fees = $45k. The best case scena...   Oct 17 2020, 06:51 PM
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