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> Weapons grade versus more subtle 914/6 builds
Tdskip
post Oct 5 2020, 07:55 AM
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So it certainly appears if one uses BAT as a reference point that weapons grade 914/6 builds have been fully excepted as “worthy” the Porsche market.

Nearly all of those builds, however, have been high dollar endeavors, and while highly impressive machines many of them seem a bit compromised for actual road use or touring.

Any thoughts on where 3.0 and 3.2 L builds that are not taken to the max now trade?
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post Oct 8 2020, 12:38 AM
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I have one build under my belt, a 3.2, and another now underway, a 2.7 twin plug. There is no way I will come out ahead on either one as I am paying to have the work done, and I am a bit of a perfectionist in making sure things are done right, which always cost.

Wise advise in this thread to buy someone else’s Completed conversion if your goal is coming out well financially. Both of mine will collectively top $100k by the time I’m done but hey - I’ll have two awesome cars to play with. But I would not spend the $$$ to do a 3.6 or 3.8 as it makes more fiscal sense to buy one that someone else has done properly and save the cost and time.

The 914 conversions are now completely acceptable in the Porsche world. Sure, a pure 914-6 is highly prized, and many still turn their nose up at Renegade and Subaru Conversions, but who cares? It helps when RGruppe co-founder Freeman Thomas has a -6 3.2 conversion, and Porsche pop stars like Magnus Walker have been adding several Teeners to their collections.

While I am still underwater, at least I got in before it got completely insane I guess. I had these built for me to my tastes but with some eye towards keeping them in the Porsche GT mold, but it’s my money and I sorta kinda don’t give a rats ass what purists or others think, though I do get high fives from those I respect.

Do it for you, and don’t worry about what anyone else thinks (except your missus when she finds out what you really spent).

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QUOTE(davehg @ Oct 7 2020, 11:38 PM) *


…it makes more fiscal sense to buy one that someone else has done properly and save the cost and time.

The 914 conversions are now completely acceptable in the Porsche world.

Do it for you, and don’t worry about what anyone else thinks (except your missus when she finds out what you really spent).



(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) with all of the above.

Suspect we may see a day—or are already there—where the six conversions are more acceptable to many Porsche enthusiasts than (newly) modified real 914-6s. I like modified cars, so I never have and still don't care if someone modifies the cars, but I am not sure I'd be able to bring myself to do it to a really nice original car anymore—no matter what year or engine.

The cool thing is that the Porsche market makes space for hot rods—and I think there are a lot of us who would rather have a hot-rod 914-6—whether mild or wild—than a dead-stock concours car even if respect the survivors and understand why they will always pull top dollar. I view them as permission slips. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(eric9144 @ Oct 8 2020, 08:42 AM) *

It kind of begs the question--with the massive up surge in the parts required to do conversions where that will drive the market.
10-15 years ago you could convert a 4 to a 6 for "reasonable" money... not so much now, donor engines that used to be well under 10k in running condition are now being listed at $20-30k... a number that probably exceeds total cost to do a good quality conversion from a decade back.


This also resonates. A number of the parts used for my conversion were a lot more attainable when I started the process in 2010~, but there are other tipping points as well—age of these engines as well as increased mileage as well as increased interest/buyer pool. Was speaking with an engine builder recently, who mentioned one of the "weapons grade" 911 engine builders now starts at $75k for a "big block" 911 engine (3.5-40, I am guessing?), and won't touch mag cases anymore—because the latter aren't engine rebuilds...they're engine restorations now.

We are beyond lucky to have the cottage industry of parts suppliers that we do for so many of the parts needed for these cars, whether for stock, modified, or conversions. And I'll include non-Porsche engine conversion parts in that equation.
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Tdskip   Weapons grade versus more subtle 914/6 builds   Oct 5 2020, 07:55 AM
Racer   BAT is an outlier of many things.. Their writing a...   Oct 5 2020, 08:15 AM
mepstein   BAT is an outlier of many things.. Their writing ...   Oct 5 2020, 09:28 AM
porschetub   [quote name='Racer' post='2856777' date='Oct 5 20...   Oct 5 2020, 09:52 PM
Tdskip   Thanks for the thoughtful and insightful reply. Th...   Oct 5 2020, 09:04 AM
Tdskip   Is the take away from that one sale that you need ...   Oct 5 2020, 09:29 AM
mepstein   Is the take away from that one sale that you need...   Oct 5 2020, 11:20 AM
horizontally-opposed   Is the take away from that one sale that you need...   Oct 5 2020, 02:58 PM
VaccaRabite   UNless you are building to sell, build the car you...   Oct 5 2020, 09:45 AM
Tdskip   UNless you are building to sell, build the car yo...   Oct 5 2020, 09:47 AM
eric9144   I think it's interesting how few of the ...   Oct 5 2020, 11:41 AM
Cairo94507   We have all seen some really well done conversion ...   Oct 5 2020, 01:22 PM
horizontally-opposed   Fwiw, I have driven a lot of weapons-grade 914s, b...   Oct 5 2020, 03:00 PM
Tdskip   @horizontally-opposed - thanks for the thoughtful...   Oct 5 2020, 03:21 PM
eric9144   Sold for $52k + fees for beautifully present...   Oct 5 2020, 03:57 PM
Tdskip   @mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ...   Oct 5 2020, 04:59 PM
mepstein   @mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ...   Oct 6 2020, 05:50 AM
Tdskip   @mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ...   Oct 6 2020, 05:58 AM
horizontally-opposed   @mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ...   Oct 6 2020, 10:23 AM
Coondog   While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored t...   Oct 6 2020, 07:24 AM
mepstein   While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored ...   Oct 6 2020, 07:38 AM
horizontally-opposed   While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored ...   Oct 6 2020, 09:43 AM
ClayPerrine   As the builder of a "Weapons Grade" conv...   Oct 6 2020, 09:44 AM
eric9144   While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored...   Oct 6 2020, 09:48 AM
horizontally-opposed   [quote name='horizontally-opposed' post='285...   Oct 6 2020, 09:58 AM
eric9144   Nearly all of those builds, however, have been hi...   Oct 6 2020, 10:25 AM
horizontally-opposed   On the "touring use" side of things.....   Oct 6 2020, 10:58 AM
ClayPerrine   Ironically it has an audiophile stereo installat...   Oct 6 2020, 11:47 AM
Cairo94507   Hi @eric9144 - I understand about engine noise i...   Oct 6 2020, 10:54 AM
Mueller   At certain price points potential buyers expect a ...   Oct 6 2020, 11:24 AM
Mark Henry   Do you plan to drive it, show it or flip it? My 3...   Oct 6 2020, 11:35 AM
Cairo94507   I installed a period correct Blaupunkt with the st...   Oct 6 2020, 12:48 PM
Coondog   I settled my long drive noise issues with two opti...   Oct 6 2020, 01:04 PM
Cairo94507   Hi Greg - Yeah, I wear soft ear plugs already. :...   Oct 6 2020, 01:35 PM
VegasRacer   The only way to come out on top financially is to ...   Oct 6 2020, 01:45 PM
Superhawk996   Watching with interest. I may be the last build...   Oct 6 2020, 02:01 PM
racer914   Watching with interest. I may be the last buil...   Oct 8 2020, 01:01 PM
eric9144   Watching with interest. I may be the last buil...   Oct 6 2020, 02:18 PM
Tdskip   Great discussion gentlemen, really appreciate all ...   Oct 6 2020, 03:37 PM
mepstein   It should be easy to make a 3.2 build quiet and co...   Oct 6 2020, 03:51 PM
john77   @eric9144 what a stunning car. I started flaring ...   Oct 6 2020, 04:25 PM
Gint   I'm putting a 2.7 with CIS in my /6. I always...   Oct 6 2020, 05:05 PM
sixnotfour   my first was a six...soooooooooooooo never really ...   Oct 6 2020, 05:18 PM
RickS   3.0 with Webbers conversion, front oil cooler, rea...   Oct 6 2020, 08:15 PM
john77   My car is pretty similar to yours, although with a...   Oct 6 2020, 10:29 PM
Gint   Ok, now that I've read the entire thread inste...   Oct 6 2020, 09:53 PM
Tdskip   It will be interesting to see some narrow body /6 ...   Oct 7 2020, 07:36 AM
mepstein   I don’t think there will be a mad rush to build ...   Oct 7 2020, 09:13 AM
Tdskip   Professionals know that, but there are a lot of ar...   Oct 7 2020, 09:16 AM
Marv's3.6six   I too have my weapons grade 3.6 hot rod, it was bu...   Oct 7 2020, 10:27 AM
eric9144   Does the front valance have the cut out for the o...   Oct 7 2020, 10:44 AM
Coondog   I was running this one for a while but I wasn’t ...   Oct 7 2020, 11:26 AM
slivel   From track only car to street hotrod. I added an ...   Oct 7 2020, 12:45 PM
cali914   From track only car to street hotrod. I added an...   Oct 15 2020, 11:45 PM
Tdskip   Nice builds gentlemen. How much interior sound de...   Oct 7 2020, 12:51 PM
Coondog   Nice builds gentlemen. How much interior sound d...   Oct 7 2020, 06:21 PM
Tdskip   Nice builds gentlemen. How much interior sound ...   Oct 7 2020, 06:36 PM
Gint   Took out back pad, installed dynamat and low pi...   Oct 7 2020, 06:40 PM
john77   Thanks @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p...   Oct 7 2020, 01:02 PM
Coondog   Thanks @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index....   Oct 7 2020, 06:14 PM
Coondog   Patrick Motor Sports.   Oct 7 2020, 08:25 PM
Gint   Stocking item or build to order?   Oct 7 2020, 09:00 PM
Coondog   One off for my car. Leather imported from Italy.   Oct 7 2020, 09:06 PM
Gint   Very nice. I like those a lot. Found your thread...   Oct 7 2020, 09:08 PM
davehg   I have one build under my belt, a 3.2, and another...   Oct 8 2020, 12:38 AM
ClayPerrine   I sorta kinda don’t give a rats ass what puris...   Oct 8 2020, 10:49 AM
horizontally-opposed   …it makes more fiscal sense to buy one that so...   Oct 8 2020, 12:17 PM
Tdskip   Was speaking with an engine builder recently, who...   Oct 8 2020, 02:46 PM
Superhawk996   . . . and won't touch mag cases anymore—be...   Oct 8 2020, 03:08 PM
horizontally-opposed   :lol4: When you start talking about 6.0L+ ma...   Oct 8 2020, 03:20 PM
Tdskip   Thanks for the post and pictures Dave. Very cool. ...   Oct 8 2020, 02:34 AM
eric9144   There is no way I will come out ahead on either o...   Oct 8 2020, 09:42 AM
horizontally-opposed   Anyway, to the OP's question, it is a question...   Oct 8 2020, 03:26 PM
Tdskip   An agreed to value policy is critical for anything...   Oct 9 2020, 08:05 AM
horizontally-opposed   It does seem to me that homebrew, even if except...   Oct 9 2020, 10:41 AM
gereed75   Mine is a hot rod driver quality original six. Ver...   Oct 9 2020, 10:50 AM
pencap914   I'm just starting my 914/6 conversion, and nee...   Oct 9 2020, 10:53 AM
JeffBowlsby   I have looked the other way on this thread long en...   Oct 9 2020, 11:08 AM
Tdskip   I have looked the other way on this thread long e...   Oct 10 2020, 06:51 AM
mepstein   Marty's car. Weapon of mass destruction. :hea...   Oct 9 2020, 01:21 PM
Sway Bar   Marty's car. Weapon of mass destruction. :he...   Oct 9 2020, 01:46 PM
Cairo94507   Well, if that phrase ever applied to a 914, it wou...   Oct 9 2020, 02:10 PM
john77   The gold 2.9 twin plug on bringatrailer just sold ...   Oct 9 2020, 03:32 PM
Mueller   The gold 2.9 twin plug on bringatrailer just sold...   Oct 9 2020, 03:55 PM
Cairo94507   That sold for almost what I thought it would. I w...   Oct 9 2020, 04:54 PM
john77   Yeah, it looks like a gorgeous build. Seems like a...   Oct 9 2020, 05:31 PM
Tdskip   Going back up for sale I bet, $125k plus aski...   Oct 10 2020, 06:49 AM
Tdskip   Here we go; More subtle 914/6 on BAT   Oct 10 2020, 08:41 AM
Tdskip   One day left but still quite cheap as far as these...   Oct 15 2020, 08:33 AM
horizontally-opposed   One day left but still quite cheap as far as thes...   Oct 15 2020, 09:15 AM
horizontally-opposed   One day left but still quite cheap as far as thes...   Oct 16 2020, 10:03 AM
horizontally-opposed   To Jeff's earlier point, I appreciate him rais...   Oct 15 2020, 12:00 PM
Tdskip   I certainly did not intend to offend anyone by usi...   Oct 15 2020, 12:01 PM
Cairo94507   I was not the least offended by the phrase. To me...   Oct 15 2020, 12:28 PM
Tdskip   I have to embarrassingly admit I’ve been watchin...   Oct 16 2020, 01:04 PM
Tdskip   $43,000 no sale. Seems to me like it should ...   Oct 16 2020, 04:50 PM
Mueller   $43,000 no sale. Seems to me like it should...   Oct 16 2020, 04:59 PM
Gint   I had that in my head at $40k. It's a gr...   Oct 16 2020, 04:58 PM
horizontally-opposed   $43k no sale is an interesting data point for...   Oct 17 2020, 10:30 AM
Gint   $43k + fees = $45k. The best case scena...   Oct 17 2020, 06:51 PM
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