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> Starter Solenoid, I have been through 4 and counting!
ctc911ctc
post Oct 25 2020, 12:47 PM
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1974 2.0 - 24Kmiles
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I received the car in late 2018, pulled from a garage in RI. Sat in the garage since 1986/88

The starter in the car was original. We removed near everything in the car, super cleaned and welded, put it all back together, and also bought a new starter. The new starter would not work right - clicked but no turn - so we put the original back in. Ran great.

Then the original started to fail (seemed like the copper wire from solenoid to motor had degenerated so we bought a 3rd. This one would not work so I returned it and got another. It worked great for a month and now this one clicks but the motor does not turn. Had to jump it with a screwdriver. Which though dangerous - works great!

At this point, over 2 years, I have 4 failed starters. One is 46 years old, the others are rebuilt (2) and new 1.

Which way would you go from here?

Another new OEM? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Another rebuilt???? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)
Put a relay in parallel with the Solenoid? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
Get the super fancy Porche High Torque starter? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)
Always park on a hill (facing downhill of course). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
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post Oct 25 2020, 02:06 PM
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I would suggest giving Mark Henry's fix a try.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...amp;mode=linear
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post Oct 25 2020, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(AZBanks @ Oct 26 2020, 09:06 AM) *

I would suggest giving Mark Henry's fix a try.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...amp;mode=linear


Starter solenoids are super basic,a wound coil that gets power from the key on start and repels a steel piston forward that moves an arm to move the bendix to engagement of the pinion gear to flywheel.
Starting function off on the key with engine running the piston returns back due to no coil power due to it being spring loaded .
I used to rebuild Bosch starters and very rarely found bad solenoid,most just needed a clean cause they were gummed up with old grease.
Best to take your starter to a Bosch shop and get it done right,I have a strong mistrust of "so called" rebuilt units....paint looks nice on them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) .
Other things have been already mentioned, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) .


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post Oct 25 2020, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(porschetub @ Oct 25 2020, 06:54 PM) *

QUOTE(AZBanks @ Oct 26 2020, 09:06 AM) *

I would suggest giving Mark Henry's fix a try.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...amp;mode=linear


Starter solenoids are super basic,a wound coil that gets power from the key on start and repels a steel piston forward that moves an arm to move the bendix to engagement of the pinion gear to flywheel.
Starting function off on the key with engine running the piston returns back due to no coil power due to it being spring loaded .
I used to rebuild Bosch starters and very rarely found bad solenoid,most just needed a clean cause they were gummed up with old grease.
Best to take your starter to a Bosch shop and get it done right,I have a strong mistrust of "so called" rebuilt units....paint looks nice on them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) .
Other things have been already mentioned, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) .


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However, you do need sufficent voltage and current to induce the magnetic field and get that solenoid to pull in.

I'm almost wondering if your ignition (yellow line from ignition switch) is so high resistance that it has been not getting a good clean pull in of the solenoid. Over time, maybe this is causing arching between the solenoid terminals and the pull in connection bar & eroding and resulting in high resistance there as you suggest. This would be plausible if you're jumpering from B+ of the solenoid to the starter motor winding terminal works every time but the your bypass switch from B+ to the solenoid control will not.

Hard to believe this has happend three times in two years though!
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ctc911ctc   Starter Solenoid   Oct 25 2020, 12:47 PM
bbrock   Always park on a hill (facing downhill of course)...   Oct 25 2020, 01:10 PM
dlee6204   I'm going to guess your ignition switch is act...   Oct 25 2020, 01:35 PM
ctc911ctc   I installed a bypass switch for this purpose. The ...   Oct 25 2020, 02:14 PM
Superhawk996   I installed a bypass switch for this purpose. The...   Oct 25 2020, 02:18 PM
ctc911ctc   Being a SuperHawk fan, I am going to tread very li...   Oct 25 2020, 03:41 PM
davep   I have measured the voltage against the engine (g...   Oct 26 2020, 08:35 AM
michael7810   I drove my car for almost 10 years on a rebuilt st...   Oct 25 2020, 01:37 PM
Superhawk996   :agree: with the two posts above. Your chance o...   Oct 25 2020, 01:58 PM
AZBanks   I would suggest giving Mark Henry's fix a try....   Oct 25 2020, 02:06 PM
Superhawk996   I would suggest giving Mark Henry's fix a try...   Oct 25 2020, 02:16 PM
porschetub   I would suggest giving Mark Henry's fix a try...   Oct 25 2020, 04:54 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='AZBanks' post='2861707' date='Oct 26...   Oct 25 2020, 05:37 PM
GeorgeRud   Clean and verify the grounds, then attach a jumper...   Oct 25 2020, 04:15 PM
Superhawk996   OK. Like the troubleshooting aspect of the bypass...   Oct 25 2020, 04:52 PM
fixer34   Now that we beat the electrical issues to death, w...   Oct 25 2020, 05:27 PM
JOEPROPER   FWIW, I replaced my old starter (high amp draw) wi...   Oct 26 2020, 09:09 AM
ctc911ctc   *******UPDATE******* The original Starter has a t...   Nov 19 2020, 06:34 PM
Superhawk996   :first: for perseverance. Hard to believe you...   Nov 19 2020, 07:30 PM
Cairo94507   Great job working the problem and resolving it. ...   Nov 19 2020, 07:33 PM
ctc911ctc   ********************* ****LAST UPDATE****** ******...   Nov 22 2020, 12:30 PM


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