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post Dec 20 2020, 12:43 AM
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Plans to go for a drive in my 914 this weekend were dashed by yesterday's stay-at-home alert, so I finally dug into a minor project I've been putting off: Rebuilding the car's 28-year-old audio system. While it performed well for 15-20 years, a mixture of age, heat, moisture, etc eventually caught up to it.

System goals: 1) Install a system powerful enough to be enjoyed with the top on or off; 2) maintain/improve "period correct" appearance with no head unit and, if possible, no visible speakers; 3) minimize weight; 4) avoid or minimize additional holes/etc.

I'm going into this with the understanding that it's entirely possible the exercise will be futile with a 2.2-liter flat six, but I have been collecting the parts over time and figure it's worth a shot. Some of this stuff has been sitting for years and thus may not be available anymore—but plenty of alternatives are.

Old system components:
Tape cassette head unit Smartphone flopping around on seat > EQ
Pyle graphic EQ turned on/off by factory rear defrost switch
Pioneer fan-cooled amplifier (~1991)
Boston Acoustics four-speaker set in doors (~1991)
Pioneer ducted bass wedge in passenger footwell

New system components:
Smartphone with a proper mount > EQ
Blaupunkt five-channel parametric EQ
JL five-channel amplifier
JL six-speaker set for factory speaker enclosures and door
?? subwoofer in passenger footwell (prepare for now, add later)

Fair warning: This thread may proceed at a glacial pace, as midlife plus a small business means my days in the garage are fairly rare in this chapter. I'm also figuring this out as I go, and will use this thread as a journal and a place to share ideas.
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The mids & tweeters will easily fit into the factory enclosures with the recommended 3.5- to 4.0-inch distance between their centers.

The door speakers will be trickier. The "pro" installers butchered my inner doors back in 1990~. While it's surprising how rigid the doors remain, I'll have to cut even more steel to get the new 6.5s in the same way. So I'm looking to see if I can mount the 6.5 from the other side. (I've never liked the way the speaker has to be pulled to remove the door card, or the way it pinches the door card.) Turns out the 6.5 can be maneuvered into the door, and could be securely held there with three mounting bolts. A curved (3D-printed?) plastic "mounting ring" (1/2 to 2/3rds of one anyway) would add rigidity and aid with sealing, while a Metra cover would protect the back of the 6.5 from rain water. Also thinking about custom cut styrofoam to close the 6.5 into the oddly shaped relief.

Short term, I'll simply bolt my old Boston Acoustics speaker grille to my existing door card, but I have a pair of ABS door card backings from 914Rubber and am thinking about "venting" the 6.5s through holes punched into the depressions in new basketweave over holes drilled into the ABS door card. Not sure this is viable, but it would allow for invisible 6.5s—much like the factory speaker holes seen in early 928s and a variety of other models… (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)


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QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Dec 20 2020, 10:43 PM) *

The mids & tweeters will easily fit into the factory enclosures with the recommended 3.5- to 4.0-inch distance between their centers.

The door speakers will be trickier. The "pro" installers butchered my inner doors back in 1990~. While it's surprising how rigid the doors remain, I'll have to cut even more steel to get the new 6.5s in the same way. So I'm looking to see if I can mount the 6.5 from the other side. (I've never liked the way the speaker has to be pulled to remove the door card, or the way it pinches the door card.) Turns out the 6.5 can be maneuvered into the door, and could be securely held there with three mounting bolts. A curved (3D-printed?) plastic "mounting ring" (1/2 to 2/3rds of one anyway) would add rigidity and aid with sealing, while a Metra cover would protect the back of the 6.5 from rain water. Also thinking about custom cut styrofoam to close the 6.5 into the oddly shaped relief.

Short term, I'll simply bolt my old Boston Acoustics speaker grille to my existing door card, but I have a pair of ABS door card backings from 914Rubber and am thinking about "venting" the 6.5s through holes punched into the depressions in new basketweave over holes drilled into the ABS door card. Not sure this is viable, but it would allow for invisible 6.5s—much like the factory speaker holes seen in early 928s and a variety of other models… (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Hopefully this is just a silly question, but have you checked to see if the roll-up window will clear the door speaker when rolled all the way down? Back in high school, I saw plenty of home-grown speaker installations that had collision issues with various moving parts (window, door stay arm, etc.).

A suggestion for an alternate door speaker install:
Install the speaker on the inside (passenger compartment) side of the door sheet metal (like it looks like how your old speakers were installed. Then, trim the door panel to clear the rim of the speaker. Finally, install the speaker grill to the face of the door panel. This should give you more clearance inside the door shell for moving parts and still let you remove the door panel without having to remove the speaker first.
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horizontally-opposed   "Invisible" audio for the Porsche 914   Dec 20 2020, 12:43 AM
horizontally-opposed   Hmm, not able to upload images. Different browse...   Dec 20 2020, 12:47 AM
Jett   Hmm, not able to upload images for some reason. H...   Dec 20 2020, 09:21 AM
Krieger   Sometime, depending on what I'm attempting to ...   Dec 20 2020, 10:58 AM
horizontally-opposed   I never read the manual, either—but I was curiou...   Dec 20 2020, 11:26 AM
bbrock   But, for now, this thread is…stalled. My signal...   Dec 20 2020, 11:29 AM
horizontally-opposed   The mids & tweeters will easily fit into the f...   Dec 20 2020, 09:43 PM
BillC   The mids & tweeters will easily fit into the ...   Dec 21 2020, 09:15 AM
horizontally-opposed   Hopefully this is just a silly question, but hav...   Dec 21 2020, 03:49 PM
horizontally-opposed   On, to system components. Goals: 1) No head uni...   Dec 20 2020, 09:53 PM
horizontally-opposed   Goals with the amp are to power the six-speaker se...   Dec 20 2020, 09:59 PM
bandjoey   I remembered this stereo setup from some years bac...   Dec 20 2020, 11:37 PM
horizontally-opposed   I remembered this stereo setup from some years ba...   Dec 21 2020, 12:41 AM
IronHillRestorations   I remembered this stereo setup from some years ba...   Jan 11 2021, 10:29 PM
horizontally-opposed   With speaker locations figured out, next up is loc...   Dec 21 2020, 01:08 AM
djway   The last 914 I built was like rolling around insid...   Dec 21 2020, 10:33 PM
djway   Well Christmas delivered me a nice 6 speaker syste...   Dec 26 2020, 02:07 AM
horizontally-opposed   Well Christmas delivered me a nice 6 speaker syst...   Dec 26 2020, 10:52 PM
horizontally-opposed   Not a huge update, but finished the rough cuts of ...   Dec 26 2020, 11:03 PM
horizontally-opposed   In factory enclosure, and with the speakers test f...   Dec 26 2020, 11:07 PM
djway   My understanding of high frequency sound waves gen...   Dec 26 2020, 11:13 PM
horizontally-opposed   My understanding of high frequency sound waves ge...   Dec 26 2020, 11:20 PM
bbrock   My understanding of high frequency sound waves g...   Dec 26 2020, 11:44 PM
horizontally-opposed   BTW, I love that fancy circle cutting jig :) ...   Dec 27 2020, 12:41 PM
trick-e   I’ve a set of enclosed Focal tweeters, with dire...   Dec 27 2020, 01:03 PM
douglastic   I put a hidden system in my 68 bug .. mounted the ...   Dec 27 2020, 03:38 PM
914_7T3   @horizontally-opposed Can you share the spec on ...   Jan 9 2021, 04:24 PM
horizontally-opposed   Can you share the spec on the ABS plastic that y...   Jan 10 2021, 03:31 PM
914_7T3   Can you share the spec on the ABS plastic that ...   Jan 11 2021, 07:44 PM
windforfun   I've done this in many cars. Great work! ...   Jan 10 2021, 04:49 PM
IronHillRestorations   Put some surface mount tweeters on either side on ...   Jan 11 2021, 10:18 PM
horizontally-opposed   Put some surface mount tweeters on either side on...   Jan 11 2021, 11:15 PM
914forme   Also, was surprised to see JL not only recommend...   Jan 13 2021, 11:46 AM
horizontally-opposed   Not surprised at all with out a proper dsp you c...   Jan 14 2021, 09:46 AM
horizontally-opposed   Okay, back to a relatively simple but good enough ...   Jan 11 2021, 11:24 PM
horizontally-opposed   A bit of test fitting. May use rivets for the mids...   Jan 11 2021, 11:28 PM
IronHillRestorations   A bit of test fitting. May use rivets for the mid...   Jan 13 2021, 11:11 AM
horizontally-opposed   With the speaker enclosure plan coming into view, ...   Jan 11 2021, 11:36 PM
Rob-O   Those mids in the adapter plate look way too deep ...   Jan 13 2021, 12:47 PM
horizontally-opposed   Those mids in the adapter plate look way too deep...   Jan 13 2021, 12:53 PM
914forme   :agree: but I had also thought about building a sm...   Jan 13 2021, 01:13 PM
Chris914n6   I had to flip your end result and mount the tweete...   Jan 13 2021, 02:08 PM
horizontally-opposed   I had to flip your end result and mount the tweet...   Jan 14 2021, 09:36 AM


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