Had to post this -6., I was going to hold my tongue... BHCC Options

[930cabman]

Thanks for posting, I feel VERY fortunate the example in our shop is mostly solid. Somebody is probably crazy enough to put this mess together. With this amount of work, how good can the finished product be??

[mb911]

Thanks for posting, I feel VERY fortunate the example in our shop is mostly solid. Somebody is probably crazy enough to put this mess together. With this amount of work, how good can the finished product be??

Like this.. mine was worse.. check out my build thread

[flyer86d]

That is not any worse then what I started with.

If it’s a real -6, it is worth saving. We have seen it on this website. It has to be purchased at the right price to make it doable. What seems expensive now is a future bargain.

Charlie

[wonkipop]

i think i saw cars still driving around in chicago in 89 that were as bad.
almost.
if you know what i mean.
maybe the arse was not hanging off them, but you could put your hand through the holes. they had proper wheels back then - were not rolling on a space saver spare.

someone will fix that.
why not.
its a bit pricey but?

i would dispute the salesman's drug trip that its the basis for a restoration.
it could only lead to a reconstruction?
that is legit. its an industrial object not a leonardo da vinci.

i've seem some other stuff on the net.
a wrecker in california advertises burned 6 wrecks that date from 1972 with hefty price tags. 20K. only good for cutting the vin numbers out of. nothing else there usable.

BHCC seem to specialise in rough cars like they are sh*t magnets?


ps.
i discovered there were more photos.
bit lazy on the first look.
its strangely clean looking all on top of petrol tank and charcoal cannister area.
maybe got parked a long long time ago and left to rot.
and got picked over.
strange car.
sort of reminds me of what some 6 wrecks i looked at 30 years ago way up north in wisconsin might look like now. (actually they were worse, they had been in big wrecks).

[iankarr]

Looks like BHCC finally patched that crack in the floor!

[914forme]

I have one that is a way better starting point and can be had for a bit more, number matching, mostly all the original parts. What I thought was fair value as it sits now makes me thing it is a six figure car today......

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People get what they will get for this car hope them best of luck with the sale. I looked at a worse unit in Columbus Ohio in the 90s they wanted a grand for it, and what you got was a VIN, and loads of iron oxide. I could have picked it up in my Ford Ranger, and most likely I would have taken the VIN plates and put them in the cab. That way I did not lose the part as all the rust flying out as I am driving I-70.

[Superhawk996]

People get what they will get for this car hope them best of luck with the sale. I looked at a worse unit in Columbus Ohio in the 90s they wanted a grand for it, and what you got was a VIN, and loads of iron oxide. I could have picked it up in my Ford Ranger, and most likely I would have taken the VIN plates and put them in the cab. That way I did not lose the part as all the rust flying out as I am driving I-70.

I'll just state for the record that I recognize you have not done this and are stating it tongue in cheek.

Likewise, for the record, swapping VIN's is illegal. In the eyes of the law, and those interesed in cars, their history, and collecting, there is a big difference between restoration of a /6 vehicle and it's VIN vs. cutting the the VIN out and simply pasting the parts into a good /4 donor.

I'll agree in theory that in the most extreme example I've given of simply pasting a VIN the end result may not be much different than the tale of "My Grandfather's Axe". However, obscuring the orgin of a vehicle is not moral, legal, or ethical.

Again to be clear, I'm using 914forme's example for illustrative purposes, not implying that he does this or would condone it. I've bought parts from him and found him to be nothing but a generous, kind soul, and all interactions with him have been seamless and I hold him in high regard.

Having once been the victim of this type of VIN swapping on a supposed /6 back in the late 90's I fear that is what is likely to happen to this car in the wrong hands.

[Mike Bellis]

Couldn't clean it up any better...

[Tdskip]

If anyone is serious about the car just call them and ASK.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

someone will certainly restore it

[wonkipop]

People get what they will get for this car hope them best of luck with the sale. I looked at a worse unit in Columbus Ohio in the 90s they wanted a grand for it, and what you got was a VIN, and loads of iron oxide. I could have picked it up in my Ford Ranger, and most likely I would have taken the VIN plates and put them in the cab. That way I did not lose the part as all the rust flying out as I am driving I-70.

I'll just state for the record that I recognize you have not done this and are stating it tongue in cheek.

Likewise, for the record, swapping VIN's is illegal. In the eyes of the law, and those interesed in cars, their history, and collecting, there is a big difference between restoration of a /6 vehicle and it's VIN vs. cutting the the VIN out and simply pasting the parts into a good /4 donor.

I'll agree in theory that in the most extreme example I've given of simply pasting a VIN the end result may not be much different than the tale of "My Grandfather's Axe". However, obscuring the orgin of a vehicle is not moral, legal, or ethical.

Again to be clear, I'm using 914forme's example for illustrative purposes, not implying that he does this or would condone it. I've bought parts from him and found him to be nothing but a generous, kind soul, and all interactions with him have been seamless and I hold him in high regard.

Having once been the victim of this type of VIN swapping on a supposed /6 back in the late 90's I fear that is what is likely to happen to this car in the wrong hands.

its certainly illegal to transfer a VIN # to another chassis in aus.
the chassis is considered under law to be the car - once the chassis can no longer be repaired the car is terminated. in legal terms. at least for the purposes of road registration and use. (i think repair is defined to in terms of percentage of chassis - for instance a cut and shut is a NO NO which is not to say they are not done but.....)

the laws were drawn up originally to combat car theft in aus. exactly how that works in practical real world terms is difficult to say as the idea of extensive restoration was not a consideration in this country.

i've heard its different in the UK where it is legal to replace the body shell (chassis) and the vin # can be transferred. but i might have heard wrong. an example were the heritage body shells for mgbs that were once marketed? if i have the story right the cars did not get new vin#s but remained the "original" car. the english considered proof of ownership of the original car as the instrument that legitimised the car. The body shell was considered a part, more or less the same as a spark plug. disclosure would have been part of the equation however.

car restoration is getting pretty academic - definitely entered the world of quasi "art" objects. thats a good thing.

i guess what settles questions is disclosure and provenance.
being able to trace the condition of a car over its history.
not necessarily to prove its always been in good condition.

914/6s are rare - any left deserve regard.
values allow a serious restorer to do that and cover the cost.
hopefully the prospect of unusual profit is never motivation, just not losing $.
you would be a brave man on this one?

but a reconstructed car has merit.
the merit is in it being able to be used again and driven?

i know one thing, when you finished you wouldn't think twice about taking it out and giving it a thrashing to make yourself smile. you can get insurance to cover the risks.

you would be pretty brave to drive an original 914/6 in unmolested excellent condition out on the roads.

[ClayPerrine]

its certainly illegal to transfer a VIN # to another chassis in aus.


you would be pretty brave to drive an original 914/6 in unmolested excellent condition out on the roads.

I just did the research on this, to make sure I was completely legal with the fixes required for Betty's 914. I asked the commander of the auto theft task force where I work.

In Texas, you cannot cut out the VIN number from a chassis and transfer it to another chassis. That would get you jail time. But if you remove the whole inner fender that has the VIN number stamped in it, and put it in another chassis, that is legal. The part the VIN is stamped into is considered the car. The rest of the stuff is just attached to it. And on a 914, the VIN is only stamped in the right front inner fender. The VIN plate in the windshield and the data plate are riveted in, and the compliance sticker is not a stamped in part. So legally, in Texas, the right front inner fender is the car. The rest are just replaceable parts. Granted, some are more easily replaced than others, but that is the legal definition.

NOTE: THIS IS ONLY THE LAW IN TEXAS. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY OTHER STATE! AND I AM NOT A LAWYER, AND THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVISE!

As for driving an original six on the road, we do it on a regular basis. Granted, this is not a daily driver, but it is a numbers matching original six.




Why would no not drive it? A car becomes an expensive art piece if it is never driven.

[Cairo94507]

@ClayPerrine - And that is why I really want a set of Gas-burners for my car. Clay & Betty, your Six is stunningly beautiful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[mepstein]

Why would no not drive it? A car becomes an expensive art piece if it is never driven.

And Porsche's don't do well when they are left to sit.

[Maltese Falcon]

This '70 9146 was offered to me ( in 1974) by a friend at a body shop, for $3,000 on behalf of the Ins Co. that totalled it. Pre-1980 days you could fix these "Totals" and be issused a clean pink slip (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
The car went into a telephone pole, 901 transaxle mounts split apart, the engine pushed into the interior sheet metal, and the front of the car moved rearwards. In those days as a student, and no availability of inexpensive 2nd hand 914 parts...and running 9146's could be had for $5 to $6k; it was a No for me.
In today's money that would be a candidate to straighten out & save.

[930cabman]

Getting back to the post, it has a 6 in the engine compartment and the ign switch is left of the steering wheel. I would estimate this as a $70.k restoration (at least) , that brings us to over $100.k. Only your crystal ball knows where things are going with the market.

[flyer86d]

When I restored my 58 Coupe, I wanted a car I could drive. I bought a numbers matching $1200 hulk in 1981 and started cutting and welding. A friend that was perhaps one of the best metal men born was going into business shortly after. He rebuilt the structure with a combination of nos and aftermarket sheet metal. Perhaps the only panel that didn’t require repair was the engine lid. Eventually, he painted it and started assembly as I was working a real job at the time. I did rebuild the mechanicals, brakes and reupholstered the interior and gave him the parts to install. I drove the car home in September 1995 and drove it in good weather until I sold it at a very weak moment in 2010.

The point is, this is a car that you could build into a usable driver if you did as I did and go thru everything and rustproof the internals. You just have to buy it right. My 68 911 is almost done. I have a 61 Roadster as the next project that I bought right in 1988 and then my -6.

Buy it and restore it or buy it and put it away until you can. My 2 cents.

Charlie