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> Defrost fan rehab and rebuild thread (fresh air fan), or How the heck do if fix this thing?
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post Jan 21 2021, 08:55 AM
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I have been dealing with this for 12 years, a non-running defrost fan. i even pulled this out 2 years ago and rebuilt it with new flapper seals and main body seal then made sure fan turned but didnt bench test the motor or resisitors, so as a result it still does not work properly. i will be documenting this because 914rubber and Mark will soon be putting together a kit for this that includes all the hardware seals and even a motor i believe, BUT i still have problems and questions!!! so i am starting this thread to get information on diagnosing the common causes of it not working and how to fix it, and then document the rebuild and replacement of the motor, fan, resistor and maybe the control unit in dash. Others have documented the reinstallation of the fan and the cables so i will not duplicate that. and we may want to link other threads hear that have done that as well.
Mark is sending me a kit soon, so while i wait for it, i will have to get some more information about the wiring and resistors function and how to test them .

I had this out last week and tested 3 different control units due to thinking that my issue was a control issue, because it runs on one speed, #2, and anything else does not work and it will then throw the fuse. most assume this would be caused by bad slider unit but i tested 3 of them and 2 are like new with no wear on the sliders , still same result. so i am suspecting the resistors /plug aparatus .
If anyone has done this and cares to share how to examine and test that for proper function, lets start there.


Resistor function, which lead is which and examination of the control units
I will take pictures of mine tonight and post those soon. once this figured out and fixed i will do a full step bystep on reassembly too.

Looking for lots of help and input on this, thanks!!!

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@Mikey914
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for superhawk, update on my 2 fans with testing the resistor packs, with new leads and cleaning contacts etc i get same readings for both of these, low medium and high are at or close to normal range. I think both are good, so i will assemble each in a cleaned up housing with new seals, one will hvae my brand new fan from URO and the other will have the new used one that tests good from Al Merideth, good free turning fan i bench tested it yesterday.

But @Mikey914 no care package no seal or rebuild kit has arrived, this project is stopped until i get the seals from 914rubber.

Mark, i will buy 2 additional kits too with all the seals including the new big fan to housing seal and the flappers seals and lower to upper housing seals., along with hardware.

If you can have the staff email me a paypal invoice i would like this sent out asap. thanks,

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QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Feb 8 2021, 07:00 AM) *

@Mikey914
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for superhawk, update on my 2 fans with testing the resistor packs, with new leads and cleaning contacts etc i get same readings for both of these, low medium and high are at or close to normal range. I think both are good, so i will assemble each in a cleaned up housing with new seals, one will hvae my brand new fan from URO and the other will have the new used one that tests good from Al Merideth, good free turning fan i bench tested it yesterday.

But @Mikey914 no care package no seal or rebuild kit has arrived, this project is stopped until i get the seals from 914rubber.

Mark, i will buy 2 additional kits too with all the seals including the new big fan to housing seal and the flappers seals and lower to upper housing seals., along with hardware.

If you can have the staff email me a paypal invoice i would like this sent out asap. thanks,

Phil

Looks like I accidentally sent superhawk the care package
Please PM me your address and I can ship out tomorrow.
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QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Feb 8 2021, 06:10 PM) *

QUOTE(DRPHIL914 @ Feb 8 2021, 07:00 AM) *

@Mikey914
@Superhawk996

for superhawk, update on my 2 fans with testing the resistor packs, with new leads and cleaning contacts etc i get same readings for both of these, low medium and high are at or close to normal range. I think both are good, so i will assemble each in a cleaned up housing with new seals, one will hvae my brand new fan from URO and the other will have the new used one that tests good from Al Merideth, good free turning fan i bench tested it yesterday.

But @Mikey914 no care package no seal or rebuild kit has arrived, this project is stopped until i get the seals from 914rubber.

Mark, i will buy 2 additional kits too with all the seals including the new big fan to housing seal and the flappers seals and lower to upper housing seals., along with hardware.

If you can have the staff email me a paypal invoice i would like this sent out asap. thanks,

Phil

Looks like I accidentally sent superhawk the care package
Please PM me your address and I can ship out tomorrow.
Mark


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oops -- I can also turn it around and ship to the Doc.
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DRPHIL914   Defrost fan rehab and rebuild thread (fresh air fan)   Jan 21 2021, 08:55 AM
Superhawk996   Not trying to be a jerk here. But I keep seeing a...   Jan 21 2021, 09:43 AM
DRPHIL914   Not trying to be a jerk here. But I keep seeing ...   Jan 21 2021, 11:01 AM
BeatNavy   Phil, if it runs on one speed but not another (or ...   Jan 21 2021, 11:41 AM
DRPHIL914   Phil, if it runs on one speed but not another (or...   Jan 21 2021, 12:05 PM
mepstein   Just like starter motors and alternator, the clima...   Jan 21 2021, 12:08 PM
framos914   I went through this a few months ago. Since I had ...   Jan 21 2021, 12:18 PM
Superhawk996   I'm here to help. Not trying to be a jerk. A...   Jan 21 2021, 12:29 PM
BeatNavy   So I found the resistor pack. And I found my old ...   Jan 21 2021, 12:30 PM
Superhawk996   I'm also going to throw another one out there....   Jan 21 2021, 01:11 PM
Superhawk996   page 72 post #1439 http://www.914world.com/bbs2...   Jan 21 2021, 01:22 PM
BeatNavy   Ahhh...ok, that filled in at least some of the mis...   Jan 21 2021, 01:50 PM
Superhawk996   Amazing how complicated it is and how much engin...   Jan 21 2021, 02:07 PM
Superhawk996   Here's a few links about the 1/2 split method....   Jan 21 2021, 02:06 PM
914_teener   Glad you guys are getting along. I did this year...   Jan 21 2021, 02:21 PM
DRPHIL914   I'm here to help. Not trying to be a jerk. ...   Jan 21 2021, 04:34 PM
Superhawk996   I wonder if the spring in essence is your resist...   Jan 21 2021, 05:01 PM
DRPHIL914   I wonder if the spring in essence is your resis...   Jan 21 2021, 08:33 PM
bbrock   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 21 2021, 08:31 PM
Superhawk996   As for repairing a blown resistor - how importan...   Jan 22 2021, 06:56 AM
bbrock   [quote name='bbrock' post='2884771' date='Jan 21 ...   Jan 22 2021, 08:42 AM
DRPHIL914   [quote name='bbrock' post='2884771' date='Jan 21...   Jan 22 2021, 08:51 AM
Mikey914   I'd look at a standard more "modern...   Jan 22 2021, 08:49 AM
Superhawk996   Not trying to be a kill joy on the DigiKey resisto...   Jan 22 2021, 09:16 AM
bbrock   Not trying to be a kill joy on the DigiKey resist...   Jan 22 2021, 09:03 PM
bdstone914   Not trying to be a kill joy on the DigiKey resis...   Jan 23 2021, 12:18 AM
bbrock   [quote name='bbrock' post='2884986' date='Jan 22 ...   Jan 23 2021, 02:04 AM
Superhawk996   I am a bit offended though. :evilgrin: @bbr...   Jan 24 2021, 12:18 PM
Superhawk996   Well it turns out I will be posting a WTB. My bl...   Jan 24 2021, 12:35 PM
DRPHIL914   Well it turns out I will be posting a WTB. My b...   Jan 24 2021, 07:03 PM
Superhawk996   @DRPHIL914 " . . . so i guess new resistor ...   Jan 25 2021, 06:42 AM
DRPHIL914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 25 2021, 07:10 AM
Superhawk996   . . . plan for tonight is to bench test wit the ...   Jan 25 2021, 07:24 AM
Superhawk996   @DRPHIL914 I'm going to pick one more snippe...   Jan 25 2021, 07:38 AM
DRPHIL914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 25 2021, 08:09 AM
Superhawk996   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 25 2021, 08:25 AM
DRPHIL914   took the sucker apart and retested the resistor pa...   Jan 25 2021, 06:14 PM
bbrock   took the sucker apart and retested the resistor p...   Jan 25 2021, 07:19 PM
Superhawk996   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 26 2021, 06:11 AM
DRPHIL914   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Jan 26 2021, 10:27 AM
Superhawk996   . . . I will try and test the fan motor tonight...   Jan 26 2021, 12:19 PM
DRPHIL914   @Superhawk996 i went back and retested the resis...   Jan 27 2021, 11:29 AM
Superhawk996   how do you take the motor out of the white fan p...   Jan 27 2021, 08:58 PM
DRPHIL914   how do you take the motor out of the white fan ...   Jan 27 2021, 11:40 PM
Superhawk996   @DRPHIL914 Great job gutting that beast! Es...   Jan 27 2021, 12:37 PM
DRPHIL914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 27 2021, 01:17 PM
DRPHIL914   i am going to get new leads, yes mine pulled apart...   Jan 27 2021, 01:24 PM
914werke   anyone order one of the new ones from URO or Por...   Jan 27 2021, 01:27 PM
Superhawk996   @Mikey914 I'll put in a 2nd vote for wish li...   Jan 27 2021, 01:38 PM
bbrock   Hey Phil, if those pics show where you are measuri...   Jan 27 2021, 02:34 PM
Mikey914   Actually I've been working on a more complete ...   Jan 27 2021, 06:16 PM
DRPHIL914   Actually I've been working on a more complete...   Jan 28 2021, 12:14 AM
Superhawk996   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Jan 28 2021, 06:59 AM
Superhawk996   I'll snap some photos of my resistor pack toni...   Jan 28 2021, 07:12 AM
Superhawk996   Warning: Carnage that can ensue trying to disasse...   Jan 28 2021, 08:09 AM
Mikey914   Can you post up some close up pics of the unservic...   Jan 28 2021, 10:33 AM
DRPHIL914   Warning: Carnage that can ensue trying to disass...   Jan 28 2021, 10:58 AM
Superhawk996   Note: Really need to remove resistor pack to do t...   Jan 28 2021, 07:11 PM
Superhawk996   @Mikey914 Here is the motor frame. The moto...   Jan 28 2021, 07:31 PM
Mikey914   Bosch has motors listed for these. If you have rem...   Jan 28 2021, 08:12 PM
Superhawk996   Bosch has motors listed for these. If you have re...   Jan 28 2021, 08:41 PM
DRPHIL914   Bosch has motors listed for these. If you have r...   Jan 28 2021, 09:59 PM
Mikey914   The only thing you could have a problem with the U...   Jan 29 2021, 12:41 AM
Superhawk996   For what it's worth good luck balancing one of...   Jan 29 2021, 07:04 AM
DRPHIL914   For what it's worth good luck balancing one o...   Jan 29 2021, 12:16 PM
UROpartsman   The fan cage used in high quality URO Parts Blower...   Feb 1 2021, 02:09 PM
Superhawk996   The fan cage used in URO Parts Blower Motor assem...   Feb 1 2021, 02:25 PM
UROpartsman   Would you be so kind as to weight a unit? I just ...   Feb 1 2021, 07:04 PM
Superhawk996   No problem, the one in our photo weighs 556g / 1...   Feb 1 2021, 07:33 PM
DRPHIL914   [quote name='UROpartsman' post='2887530' date='Fe...   Feb 3 2021, 07:29 PM
DRPHIL914   @UROpartsman [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bb...   Feb 1 2021, 02:38 PM
Superhawk996   This is what I was calling the blower housing fram...   Feb 4 2021, 09:38 AM
DRPHIL914   The fan cage used in URO Parts Blower Motor assem...   Feb 5 2021, 09:26 AM
UROpartsman   Awesome Phil, keep us updated!   Feb 5 2021, 10:57 AM
DRPHIL914   @Mikey914 [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/...   Feb 8 2021, 09:00 AM
Superhawk996   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Feb 8 2021, 09:29 AM
DRPHIL914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?...   Feb 8 2021, 10:19 AM
Mikey914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Feb 8 2021, 05:10 PM
Superhawk996   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?...   Feb 8 2021, 05:15 PM
Superhawk996   @Mikey914 I have received a seal kit but wasn...   Feb 8 2021, 09:18 AM
Mikey914   Go ahead and post up some pics. I will also be inc...   Feb 8 2021, 05:21 PM
DRPHIL914   @Mikey914 [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/...   Feb 13 2021, 02:38 PM
Superhawk996   @Mikey914 :drooley: You're killing me. ...   Feb 14 2021, 11:29 AM
DRPHIL914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Feb 14 2021, 11:50 AM
DRPHIL914   i’ve had this apart for some time and finally ha...   Feb 14 2021, 09:51 PM
DRPHIL914   after polishing , overkill i know but might as wel...   Feb 14 2021, 10:03 PM
DRPHIL914   UPDATE: finally got around to installing this ne...   Mar 23 2021, 08:19 AM
DRPHIL914   tank up and box accessed- pretty clean under there...   Mar 23 2021, 08:24 AM
bob164   Don't think this is the issue with the fans, b...   Mar 23 2021, 02:39 PM
DRPHIL914   Don't think this is the issue with the fans, ...   Mar 24 2021, 04:59 AM
bob164   The picture isn't that clear, was referring to...   Mar 24 2021, 11:22 AM
DRPHIL914   The picture isn't that clear, was referring t...   Mar 25 2021, 06:39 AM
DRPHIL914   ok update from trouble shooting last night, after...   Mar 25 2021, 06:52 AM
Rob-O   Quick question and I don’t have a schematic in f...   Mar 25 2021, 07:27 AM
DRPHIL914   Quick question and I don’t have a schematic in ...   Mar 25 2021, 10:22 AM
DRPHIL914   OK finally last night i was able to sort thru the ...   Mar 26 2021, 08:25 AM
DRPHIL914   this is how the wiring should be connected. i am ...   Mar 26 2021, 08:35 AM
Mikey914   Doing some research. Looks like we can form these ...   Mar 26 2021, 02:42 PM
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