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> OEM /6 mount, Mad Dog
930cabman
post Feb 11 2021, 01:39 PM
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Making the conversion to a 6 cyl, we have several choices to make with mounts, exhaust, fuel, oil tank, engine tin, ....

I recently purchased the OEM mount from Mad Dog, you couldn't ask for a better fit. It nestled into the recess and allowed basically no room for error. I socked it in with a couple self tapping screws and went ahead with the plug and fillet welds.
I removed the paint from the mounting surfaces with paint stripper and cleaned it up with a sanding disc prior to welding

From what I understand the factory placed additional reinforcement in this area. Running the welds for this mount I sensed it the way my MIG was acting. I bet you could pick the entire car up from this mount. Very well done Mad Dog Attached Image Attached Image
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post Feb 16 2021, 06:05 AM
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I have welded the Mad Dog chassis portion into my conversion project, but the 2.7 is still at the engine builder. Mad Dog states a Wevo mount is required to complete the installation, about $90.
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QUOTE(930cabman @ Feb 16 2021, 07:05 AM) *

I have welded the Mad Dog chassis portion into my conversion project, but the 2.7 is still at the engine builder. Mad Dog states a Wevo mount is required to complete the installation, about $90.


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Per previous notes from @mb911

The Wevo mount goes into the 2nd plate with round hole that was supplied with the Maddog mount. Ben seemed happy with the isolation from the Wevo mount.

OEM 914/6 mount eliminates the adapter plate and the wevo mount.

As an automotive engineer that has worked on NVH and highly values low NVH in my own vehicles, I will be using the 914/6 OEM mount for the following reasons

1) Now readily available and only slightly more expensive than the Wevo mount.

2) I don't like the way the Wevo mounts in the secondary adapter made of flat plate. That flat piece of plate steel isn't very stiff in dynamic bending in Z plane relative to the rest of the mount that has lots of form and is directly welded to the chassis. What your really want is a mount structure with at least 10 times more stiffness than the isolator itself. I'm not convinced the steel plate and the Wevo isolator will achieve this goal.

3) The OEM mount has way more rubber for isolation and will have a much lower rate in Z plane than the Wevo mount and will better faciliate meeting the ratio of 10:1 between mount stiffness and isolator stiffness. The result should be much better isolation.

4) Based on the above info, I belive Porsche did their homework and designed the OEM 914/6 mount towards this end. Good isolation in the Z plane without overly compromising X/Y plane that would lead to diminished steering and handling performance.

People have vastly different appreciation for NVH so by no means and I saying the Wevo mount won't mount the engine. I'm sure it will. I also belive it probably does a decent job based on Ben's feedback. However, for reasons above, and my desire for a powertrain mount that is optimized, I belive that is best achieved with the OEM engine mount, and that is what I'll do.
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930cabman   OEM /6 mount   Feb 11 2021, 01:39 PM
mb911   Perfect..   Feb 11 2021, 03:51 PM
Root_Werks   What a great fit, I have his other bulkhead mount....   Feb 11 2021, 04:37 PM
Robarabian   I just got mine in the mail. Thanks for the photos...   Feb 11 2021, 10:18 PM
930cabman   I just got mine in the mail. Thanks for the photo...   Feb 12 2021, 11:58 AM
maddog   All the thumbs up go to Mark at Original Customs, ...   Feb 14 2021, 03:12 PM
930cabman   All the thumbs up go to Mark at Original Customs,...   Feb 14 2021, 04:42 PM
rgalla9146   any chance of seeing a few pics 'as received...   Feb 14 2021, 10:22 PM
mepstein   any chance of seeing a few pics 'as received...   Feb 14 2021, 11:00 PM
rgalla9146   any chance of seeing a few pics 'as received...   Feb 15 2021, 01:26 PM
mepstein   [quote name='mepstein' post='2891438' date='Feb 1...   Feb 15 2021, 02:21 PM
mb911   I personally suggest this mount to all my customer...   Feb 15 2021, 02:29 PM
rgalla9146   Are these other parts necessery / provided / avail...   Feb 15 2021, 10:03 PM
mepstein   Are these other parts necessery / provided / avai...   Feb 15 2021, 10:49 PM
sixnotfour   :lol4:   Feb 15 2021, 10:10 PM
rgalla9146   :lol4: It's great to have an engine...   Feb 16 2021, 07:55 AM
mepstein   :lol4: It's great to have an engin...   Feb 16 2021, 08:13 AM
mb911   [quote name='rgalla9146' post='2891779' date='Feb...   Feb 16 2021, 08:29 AM
mepstein   [quote name='rgalla9146' post='2891779' date='Fe...   Feb 16 2021, 08:50 AM
930cabman   I have welded the Mad Dog chassis portion into my ...   Feb 16 2021, 06:05 AM
Superhawk996   I have welded the Mad Dog chassis portion into my...   Feb 16 2021, 07:32 AM
Superhawk996   :agree: I was just going to fabricate my own pla...   Feb 16 2021, 08:32 AM
maddog   Hi Guys, with the help of Luke M, we think we will...   Feb 16 2021, 10:22 AM
mepstein   Hi Guys, with the help of Luke M, we think we wil...   Feb 16 2021, 11:30 AM
Superhawk996   I saw this on ebay. Well, that was motivation ...   Feb 16 2021, 11:47 AM
Superhawk996   Hi Guys, with the help of Luke M, we think we wil...   Feb 16 2021, 11:32 AM
930cabman   No doubt from my perspective, This board ROCKS t...   Feb 16 2021, 11:41 AM
maddog   Hopefully I can have prototypes to Luke sometime n...   Feb 16 2021, 12:02 PM
rgalla9146   Hopefully I can have prototypes to Luke sometime ...   Feb 16 2021, 01:39 PM
Luke M   Just an FYI for those who are gonna shop around fo...   Feb 16 2021, 12:57 PM
nditiz1   Hey thanks for posting the pics of your weld. Thi...   Feb 16 2021, 01:03 PM
Superhawk996   Hey thanks for posting the pics of your weld. Th...   Feb 16 2021, 02:32 PM
maddog   Here is what Im thinking for the bottm plate?   Feb 16 2021, 02:36 PM
Superhawk996   Here is what Im thinking for the bottm plate? ...   Feb 16 2021, 02:55 PM
maddog   Hawk, I think the thickness of the bottom plate is...   Feb 16 2021, 03:04 PM
Superhawk996   Hawk, I think the thickness of the bottom plate i...   Feb 16 2021, 04:04 PM
sixnotfour   :beer2:   Feb 16 2021, 03:30 PM
ClayPerrine   Just my $.02... This is a great project, and...   Feb 17 2021, 07:23 AM
Superhawk996   Just my $.02... This is a great project, an...   Feb 17 2021, 07:31 AM
930cabman   Just my $.02... This is a great project, a...   Feb 17 2021, 07:57 AM
Superhawk996   You can be sure they never planned on 4.0L engines...   Feb 17 2021, 09:00 AM
mb911   The 914-8 has a beefed up version of this style mo...   Feb 17 2021, 09:31 AM
mepstein   The 914-8 has a beefed up version of this style m...   Feb 17 2021, 09:38 AM
FourBlades   Mittelmotor makes the plates. They are not cheap,...   Feb 18 2021, 10:27 PM
maddog   got the blanks the other day, formed them up, just...   Feb 19 2021, 04:05 PM
mb911   got the blanks the other day, formed them up, jus...   Feb 19 2021, 04:10 PM
mepstein   got the blanks the other day, formed them up, jus...   Feb 19 2021, 04:38 PM
Superhawk996   got the blanks the other day, formed them up, jus...   Feb 19 2021, 07:06 PM
930cabman   Dave is on the case for sure, keep up the good wor...   Feb 19 2021, 05:30 PM
maddog   so not happy with how the first prototype turned o...   Feb 23 2021, 09:26 AM
Superhawk996   so not happy with how the first prototype turned ...   Feb 27 2021, 11:16 AM
mepstein   [quote name='maddog' post='2893914' date='Feb 23 ...   Feb 27 2021, 11:29 AM
Superhawk996   Update on OEM mount Got the engine side back from...   Feb 27 2021, 11:12 AM
930cabman   Update on OEM mount Got the engine side back fro...   Feb 27 2021, 01:37 PM
Superhawk996   we are in a similar boat, but I have welded the ...   Feb 27 2021, 01:43 PM
Superhawk996   @930cabman Oh man, that was beyond simple. ...   Feb 27 2021, 03:12 PM
930cabman   Hawk, guess I should have tried a test fit prior t...   Feb 27 2021, 06:48 PM
Superhawk996   I should have tried a test fit prior to welding t...   Feb 27 2021, 06:54 PM
maddog   Hi guys, Hawk is right about the URO mount interfe...   Feb 28 2021, 07:58 AM
sixnotfour   for comparison..   Feb 28 2021, 01:22 PM
Superhawk996   for comparison.. Thanks for the pic of the OEM ...   Feb 28 2021, 03:13 PM
mepstein   [quote name='sixnotfour' post='2895264' date='Feb...   Feb 28 2021, 03:58 PM
930cabman   Yep, Hawk has the fix, I had the chassis portion ...   Feb 28 2021, 04:52 PM
sixnotfour   Ralph meaney showed me one of his engine consoles ...   Feb 28 2021, 05:02 PM
maddog   I plan on opening up that area on my next set of b...   Mar 1 2021, 06:18 AM
maddog   UPDATE: got the new blanks formed and tig welded, ...   Mar 10 2021, 11:54 AM
Superhawk996   :headbanger:   Mar 10 2021, 12:34 PM
maddog   just picked these up from the platers, turned out ...   Mar 18 2021, 04:56 PM
maddog   here is the top bracket   Mar 18 2021, 04:57 PM
Superhawk996   :wub:   Mar 18 2021, 05:51 PM
mb911   What will pricing be at? I want to bring in some i...   Mar 18 2021, 06:04 PM
maddog   Ben, parts are live on the website now. Upper brac...   Mar 18 2021, 07:12 PM
Krieger   Nice work!   Mar 18 2021, 06:39 PM
Luke M   :Qarl: I have some of these new plates on the wa...   Mar 19 2021, 06:46 AM
maddog   Thanks Luke, I couldn't have made these withou...   Mar 20 2021, 08:05 AM
mepstein   I just bought a set. Dave - Way to respond quickl...   Mar 19 2021, 07:27 AM
Luke M   Look what showed up today... :Qarl: All fits wel...   Mar 22 2021, 11:54 AM
mepstein   Luke - thank you for your assist. :beer2:   Mar 22 2021, 12:04 PM
Root_Werks   I'm bulkhead mount heavy at the moment. Origi...   May 11 2021, 11:24 AM
mb911   I'm bulkhead mount heavy at the moment. Orig...   May 11 2021, 06:25 PM
Superhawk996   :agree: There are lot of positive design elemen...   May 11 2021, 12:00 PM
Root_Werks   Thanks Ben, still had to relocate the brake pressu...   May 12 2021, 09:29 PM
maddog   !!!Attention!!! anyone who...   Jun 23 2021, 03:07 PM
pencap914   I had a little time this weekend to finally weld t...   Aug 31 2021, 02:02 PM
Root_Werks   Looks great! I do really like this mount, sup...   Aug 31 2021, 02:21 PM


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