Al Holbert 914, Ex-Peter Gregg 914/6 |
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Al Holbert 914, Ex-Peter Gregg 914/6 |
maf914 |
Feb 26 2021, 03:57 PM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None |
I just received the Mar/Apr 2021 issue of Vintage Motorsport magazine. In it is an article about Al Holbert and a photo of an ex-Peter Gregg 914 he raced in SCCA C Production in 71 and 72. I had never read that he started driving in a 914. Is anyone familiar with this?
Here is a scan of the page with the photo. (Disregard the edge of my hand pressing down the page. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) Attached thumbnail(s) |
gms |
Feb 26 2021, 04:29 PM
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yup |
gms |
Feb 26 2021, 04:36 PM
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gms |
Feb 26 2021, 04:40 PM
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gms |
Feb 26 2021, 04:41 PM
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mgphoto |
Feb 26 2021, 04:47 PM
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horizontally-opposed |
Feb 26 2021, 05:06 PM
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gms |
Feb 26 2021, 05:19 PM
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ctc911ctc |
Feb 26 2021, 05:24 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 891 Joined: 9-June 18 From: boston Member No.: 22,206 Region Association: North East States |
I recall reading the NTSB report on his AeroStar wreck. Short version is the door popped open, no big deal.......just land the plane
However, he reached out to grab the door at 150kts+ - natural reaction.....this did not end well. |
Bleyseng |
Feb 26 2021, 05:43 PM
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Is this the car Paul Neuman crashed?
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gms |
Feb 27 2021, 08:12 AM
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GregAmy |
Feb 27 2021, 08:36 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,268 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
However, he reached out to grab the door at 150kts+ - natural reaction.....this did not end well. A lot of people did that, sadly. Edit: I have a couple hours in an Aerostar; a buddy owned one. A bit noisy with the props RIGHT THERE, but a very cool airplane, I enjoyed flying it. Reason I bring it up: when my buddy put me in the left seat we were doing some power-off cockpit familiarization discussions. He said, "I want you to do something for me: open the window" so I did. Then he said "reach up to close the window, but I want you to move your arm backwards when you do it to simulate cruising speed winds" so I did. Then he said, "look back where your hand is" and I swear my face turned white as a ghost. I recall that the airplane was seen flying eratically and the pilot highly stressed on the radio. DId they ever actually confirm a related arm injury? |
sixnotfour |
Feb 27 2021, 07:43 PM
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sixnotfour |
Feb 28 2021, 09:53 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,411 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Holbert Family lives on..
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davesprinkle |
Feb 28 2021, 11:01 PM
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However, he reached out to grab the door at 150kts+ - natural reaction.....this did not end well. A lot of people did that, sadly. Edit: I have a couple hours in an Aerostar; a buddy owned one. A bit noisy with the props RIGHT THERE, but a very cool airplane, I enjoyed flying it. Reason I bring it up: when my buddy put me in the left seat we were doing some power-off cockpit familiarization discussions. He said, "I want you to do something for me: open the window" so I did. Then he said "reach up to close the window, but I want you to move your arm backwards when you do it to simulate cruising speed winds" so I did. Then he said, "look back where your hand is" and I swear my face turned white as a ghost. I recall that the airplane was seen flying eratically and the pilot highly stressed on the radio. DId they ever actually confirm a related arm injury? I read the NTSB report. There was no mention of an arm injury. I suspect the severed arm rumor is wrong. |
ctc911ctc |
Mar 1 2021, 09:06 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 891 Joined: 9-June 18 From: boston Member No.: 22,206 Region Association: North East States |
In the old days (pre 2000) the reports are very short, here is what is published. There are folders with notes diagrams, etc. that can be requested. https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGen...al&IType=FA However, he reached out to grab the door at 150kts+ - natural reaction.....this did not end well. A lot of people did that, sadly. Edit: I have a couple hours in an Aerostar; a buddy owned one. A bit noisy with the props RIGHT THERE, but a very cool airplane, I enjoyed flying it. Reason I bring it up: when my buddy put me in the left seat we were doing some power-off cockpit familiarization discussions. He said, "I want you to do something for me: open the window" so I did. Then he said "reach up to close the window, but I want you to move your arm backwards when you do it to simulate cruising speed winds" so I did. Then he said, "look back where your hand is" and I swear my face turned white as a ghost. I recall that the airplane was seen flying eratically and the pilot highly stressed on the radio. DId they ever actually confirm a related arm injury? I read the NTSB report. There was no mention of an arm injury. I suspect the severed arm rumor is wrong. |
stownsen914 |
Mar 1 2021, 04:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 912 Joined: 3-October 06 From: Ossining, NY Member No.: 6,985 Region Association: None |
In the old days (pre 2000) the reports are very short, here is what is published. There are folders with notes diagrams, etc. that can be requested. https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGen...al&IType=FA When I read this thread the other day, I got curious and googled around. I had previously heard about the cockpit door being an issue, but not about the arm. I found some speculation about arm injury but nothing seemed to confirm it. Seems the door being open either caused an aero disruption and/or a distraction significant enough to cause loss of control (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
GregAmy |
Mar 1 2021, 07:30 PM
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Clear weather but an IFR departure, at night. Dark horizon? Rotation is a busy time, pitch for climb, set the airspeed, gear and flaps up, re-configure the airplane for cruise climb, contact Approach...
...and a door next to your head pops open. Big air and big engine noise, confusion as to what in the hell is going on, wondering what's wrong and how to fix it...then maybe trying to resolve the situation, all while only hundreds of feet above the ground...pitching back too far while doing it, losing airspeed...descending to blue line and a wing rolls over.... End of data. It's not a situation I would have wanted to be in. I was trained by good people. They would throw all kinds of distractions at me, then scream "IGNORE THAT! FLY THE F(riendly) AIRPLANE!!!". |
9146GUY |
Mar 2 2021, 01:20 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 29-November 15 From: Central Ohio Member No.: 19,420 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
He was leaving Don Scott Field, the Ohio State airport, when it happened. The Columbus 500 was in town and he was leaving to go somewhere as I remember.
Big loss way to soon. |
9146GUY |
Mar 2 2021, 01:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 29-November 15 From: Central Ohio Member No.: 19,420 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Also Glenn, do you have a copy of the 1970 Runoff results?
Steve |
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