Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> Engine air intake locations
Charles Freeborn
post May 22 2021, 05:02 PM
Post #1


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 250
Joined: 21-May 14
From: United States
Member No.: 17,377
Region Association: Pacific Northwest



My car has a downdraft fan and lowered roofline that AJRS was building in the 9o's.
When I installed a CHT I realized that it needed more airflow to the cooling fan. Methinks I'll add some scoop(s) to the equation to see if I can get the head temps down.
So, location, location, location. Three images below. Where will the optimum pickup location be? I've seen a webpage done by a professor who used his AX 914 as a model and did some computer and water tank tests, but I can't read the squiggly lines well enough to tell where the best place to locate scoop(s) is. What I've come up with so far:
Store bought scoops - of the kind one sees on hoods. Kinda cute, fiberglasss, would punch 4" holes through the sail panels, move other stuff out of the way and plumb to a plenum that seals to the top of the fan housing.
Attached Image

Build a lexan scoop / plenum (clear so I can see through it with rearview) and catch the airflow at the trailing edge of the roof. Opening would be roughly 2.5" x 12" to match fan opening (11" round fan)
Attached Image

Build a lexan scoop / plenum that catches air at the leading edge of the roof, would probably run through the interior of the car and out through the rear window opening. This seems the most obtrusive to the driver ergonomics, distraction, etc.

Attached Image

I suppose one more option would be to do a sort of hybrid of the two roof top collectors and have it punch down through the roof just in front of the rear hoop. I've seen one (also an AJRS car) done that way. It too had the raked windshield and lowered roofline as mine does.

What say ye? where is the optimal pressure on a 914?

BTW, I've worked with plenty of Lexan, have all the tools, so fab isn't an issue.

Thanks.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
Jake Raby
post May 23 2021, 03:44 PM
Post #2


Engine Surgeon
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 9,394
Joined: 31-August 03
From: Lost
Member No.: 1,095
Region Association: South East States



Remember what I told you about upper cylinder pressure over on my Type 4 FB group? Yeah, you need it.


This post has been edited by Jake Raby: May 23 2021, 03:44 PM
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Charles Freeborn
post May 23 2021, 05:09 PM
Post #3


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 250
Joined: 21-May 14
From: United States
Member No.: 17,377
Region Association: Pacific Northwest



QUOTE(Jake Raby @ May 23 2021, 02:44 PM) *

Remember what I told you about upper cylinder pressure over on my Type 4 FB group? Yeah, you need it.



Yeah, not helping. This discussion is about intake design and placement.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Jake Raby
post May 23 2021, 05:46 PM
Post #4


Engine Surgeon
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 9,394
Joined: 31-August 03
From: Lost
Member No.: 1,095
Region Association: South East States



QUOTE(Charles Freeborn @ May 23 2021, 03:09 PM) *

QUOTE(Jake Raby @ May 23 2021, 02:44 PM) *

Remember what I told you about upper cylinder pressure over on my Type 4 FB group? Yeah, you need it.



Yeah, not helping. This discussion is about intake design and placement.


Looks like your design is targeting forced air into the engine bay, which would increase those pressures that we conversed about.

I'd consider the old SCCA Production class trick that we referred to as "the stove pipe". We used it in FP with a stock cooling system with great results, some of the stock fans only had 8 impeller blades left in place, forced air did the rest from the left front headlight bucket area, through the cabin, and into the firewall. We were tempted to try running no fan at all, but never did.

The only time I have made the electric fan work was in AX on a Supervee, and once running M1 alcohol.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
SirAndy
post May 23 2021, 10:20 PM
Post #5


Resident German
*************************

Group: Admin
Posts: 41,650
Joined: 21-January 03
From: Oakland, Kalifornia
Member No.: 179
Region Association: Northern California



QUOTE(Jake Raby @ May 23 2021, 04:46 PM) *
I'd consider the old SCCA Production class trick that we referred to as "the stove pipe". We used it in FP with a stock cooling system with great results, some of the stock fans only had 8 impeller blades left in place, forced air did the rest from the left front headlight bucket area, through the cabin, and into the firewall.


Rich Bontempi's FP 914 has the same "stove pipe" setup, from the front through the cabin and firewall and straight into the cooling fan.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

Attached Image
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
Charles Freeborn   Engine air intake locations   May 22 2021, 05:02 PM
brant   Ajrs built at least 6!pr more with the lexan s...   May 22 2021, 05:13 PM
Charles Freeborn   Ajrs built at least 6!pr more with the lexan ...   May 22 2021, 06:27 PM
URY914   You can see the scope here.   May 22 2021, 07:07 PM
stownsen914   The farther forward on the car you put a scoop, th...   May 23 2021, 08:04 AM
Charles Freeborn   Many thanks all. The #13 pics are heartbreaking. H...   May 23 2021, 10:05 AM
Jake Raby   Remember what I told you about upper cylinder pres...   May 23 2021, 03:44 PM
Charles Freeborn   Remember what I told you about upper cylinder pre...   May 23 2021, 05:09 PM
Jake Raby   Remember what I told you about upper cylinder pr...   May 23 2021, 05:46 PM
SirAndy   I'd consider the old SCCA Production class tri...   May 23 2021, 10:20 PM
Charles Freeborn   [quote name='Charles Freeborn' post='2917993' dat...   May 24 2021, 09:46 AM
GregAmy   That was a common mod for Prod 914s when they were...   May 24 2021, 06:36 AM
Jake Raby   That was a common mod for Prod 914s when they wer...   May 24 2021, 09:38 AM
ChrisFoley   Something like this is extremely effective and, if...   May 24 2021, 11:18 AM
Charles Freeborn   [quote name='ChrisFoley' date='May 24 ...   May 24 2021, 12:55 PM
ChrisFoley   PS, Chris, I desperately want one of your cable ...   May 24 2021, 04:00 PM
Charles Freeborn   PS, Chris, I desperately want one of your cable...   May 24 2021, 05:35 PM
URY914   You gotta get it up in the clean air. :D   May 24 2021, 06:05 PM
stownsen914   One thing to consider as you design your intake / ...   May 24 2021, 07:34 PM
914 Ranch   My interest in this intake is cold Air. It's p...   May 24 2021, 11:05 PM
914 Ranch   Excuse me, the scoop.   May 24 2021, 11:20 PM
914 Ranch   A pair of them.   May 24 2021, 11:23 PM
Krieger   What about not having a rear window, or large hole...   May 25 2021, 10:56 PM


Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 20th May 2024 - 09:54 AM