Hell hole, where do I start?, Hell hole from u no where. Options

[wonkipop]

I’m getting ready to start this project. What is the first few steps?

Build a jig? Any recommendations?
Remove the engine?
?
?
?

Need advice from the wealth of intelligence from this forum please.

Thanks Jeff

this image being detail of same car as steel bar welded from engine mount to suspension trailing arm?

seems to be a glimpse into whats on the other side of a hell hole supernova collapse.

i'd think hard about this one before you start.

[brant]

I’m getting ready to start this project. What is the first few steps?

Build a jig? Any recommendations?
Remove the engine?
?
?
?

Need advice from the wealth of intelligence from this forum please.

Thanks Jeff

this image being detail of same car as steel bar welded from engine mount to suspension trailing arm?

seems to be a glimpse into whats on the other side of a hell hole supernova collapse.

i'd think hard about this one before you start.

agreed...
and honestly a rust repaired car is worth less than a never been rusty, original car.
yes... a very professional repair is better than an amateur one... but that will have to be determined by a future caretaker down the road...

This car has some of the most significant rust and PO repairs I've seen... aka the rear trailing arm.

unfortunately the unit body is a lot more difficult to piece together than a british car with a frame.

brant

[bbrock]

I’m getting ready to start this project. What is the first few steps?

Build a jig? Any recommendations?
Remove the engine?
?
?
?

Need advice from the wealth of intelligence from this forum please.

Thanks Jeff

this image being detail of same car as steel bar welded from engine mount to suspension trailing arm?

seems to be a glimpse into whats on the other side of a hell hole supernova collapse.

i'd think hard about this one before you start.

Where are you seeing this? In another thread? The image in OP shows metal welded in to bridge rusted floor across the double walled firewall. While it may be an omen of poor quality repairs in other areas of the car, it is a commonly repaired rust area and not that difficult either. Granted, from this one pic I would assume there is a LOT of rust to repair on this car we don't see, but I don't see anything in this pic that makes me think this couldn't be a good PROJECT car.

Are there more pics of this car that I'm missing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[BillJ]

I’m getting ready to start this project. What is the first few steps?

Build a jig? Any recommendations?
Remove the engine?
?
?
?

Need advice from the wealth of intelligence from this forum please.

Thanks Jeff

this image being detail of same car as steel bar welded from engine mount to suspension trailing arm?

seems to be a glimpse into whats on the other side of a hell hole supernova collapse.

i'd think hard about this one before you start.

Where are you seeing this? In another thread? The image in OP shows metal welded in to bridge rusted floor across the double walled firewall. While it may be an omen of poor quality repairs in other areas of the car, it is a commonly repaired rust area and not that difficult either. Granted, from this one pic I would assume there is a LOT of rust to repair on this car we don't see, but I don't see anything in this pic that makes me think this couldn't be a good PROJECT car.

Are there more pics of this car that I'm missing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

yeah definitely my point earlier. IF this is the only major area of issue then looks pretty straightforward. That is a big if of course lol. Could very well be worth the effort or perhaps not. More data is needed for us to give this brave soul good advice.

[Superhawk996]

From other post.



What is missing form all this discussion is what is the condition of the rest of the car.

I've undertaken complete passenger side long replacement, nearly complete replacement of this very area, and complete floor pan replacement. Not a show stopper as @bbrock mentioned.

BUT . . . . in my case the upper body is very solid. Even then, I'm doubting my own sanity for having undertaken my own project which appears to have been a better starting point than this car based on the craziness done to the trailing arm. I just didn't want to cut up a nice /4 to do a /6 conversion so I have my own flawed logic of why I did what I did.

I'd honestly suggest that before @jwjwjw undertakes this, that the rest of the car be honestly assessed in terms of what it will take to repair it properly. We don't have enough infomation with the limited photos posted thus far.

[bbrock]

From other post.

Ah. Thank you. I was fearsome confused there. This pic also reveals another DAPO repair adjacent to the DAPO repair shown in the earlier pic. So we have established this car has suffered a DAPO and there are likely many other areas with bad repairs. My car had a DAPO too only that DAPO was me 30 years younger and interested in just cobbling together the fastest and cheapest patch that would allow me to make it to work the next day. It happens. Nope, no show stoppers here, but yes an assessment of the whole car is need to be realistic of what is needed and if it fit the owner's abilities and motivations.

Philosophically, there is a huge difference in motivation for buying a car for a project vs. wanting one to drive. Of course anyone who just wants a nice 914 to hop in and drive should run away from this car, but as a project it doesn't look bad so far. Most people would have scrapped the car I'm driving now, but that isn't what it is about for me. If I didn't want the challenge of bringing my car back from the dead, I would not be driving a 914 now, period. It isn't a practical car where I live. The reward of learning how to bring a pile of rust back to a nice example of the make has been worth every penny already. It's the difference between buying a Tonka toy, or a Revell model kit.

Lastly, not that profit was a motivation for me, but the idea that extensive rust repair projects cost more than the car will be worth is outdated. The value of the cars is increasing as has availability of inexpensive repair panels. Paying for labor is what puts projects upside down. If you aren't paying for that, you absolutely can break even, or even profit. It is true that you can usually buy a solid car for cheaper than to fix up a rust bucket, but again, whether that is good or bad depends on what the owner wants to gain from the experience.

[Jwjwjw]

From other post.

Ah. Thank you. I was fearsome confused there. This pic also reveals another DAPO repair adjacent to the DAPO repair shown in the earlier pic. So we have established this car has suffered a DAPO and there are likely many other areas with bad repairs. My car had a DAPO too only that DAPO was me 30 years younger and interested in just cobbling together the fastest and cheapest patch that would allow me to make it to work the next day. It happens. Nope, no show stoppers here, but yes an assessment of the whole car is need to be realistic of what is needed and if it fit the owner's abilities and motivations.

Philosophically, there is a huge difference in motivation for buying a car for a project vs. wanting one to drive. Of course anyone who just wants a nice 914 to hop in and drive should run away from this car, but as a project it doesn't look bad so far. Most people would have scrapped the car I'm driving now, but that isn't what it is about for me. If I didn't want the challenge of bringing my car back from the dead, I would not be driving a 914 now, period. It isn't a practical car where I live. The reward of learning how to bring a pile of rust back to a nice example of the make has been worth every penny already. It's the difference between buying a Tonka toy, or a Revell model kit.

Lastly, not that profit was a motivation for me, but the idea that extensive rust repair projects cost more than the car will be worth is outdated. The value of the cars is increasing as has availability of inexpensive repair panels. Paying for labor is what puts projects upside down. If you aren't paying for that, you absolutely can break even, or even profit. It is true that you can usually buy a solid car for cheaper than to fix up a rust bucket, but again, whether that is good or bad depends on what the owner wants to gain from the experience.

Brent

Thanks for the encouragement. I’m of the same mind as you, doing this because I enjoy doing this and bringing back to life something others would not do.

Thanks Jeff

[bkrantz]

From other post.

Philosophically, there is a huge difference in motivation for buying a car for a project vs. wanting one to drive. Of course anyone who just wants a nice 914 to hop in and drive should run away from this car, but as a project it doesn't look bad so far. Most people would have scrapped the car I'm driving now, but that isn't what it is about for me. If I didn't want the challenge of bringing my car back from the dead, I would not be driving a 914 now, period. It isn't a practical car where I live. The reward of learning how to bring a pile of rust back to a nice example of the make has been worth every penny already. It's the difference between buying a Tonka toy, or a Revell model kit.

Lastly, not that profit was a motivation for me, but the idea that extensive rust repair projects cost more than the car will be worth is outdated. The value of the cars is increasing as has availability of inexpensive repair panels. Paying for labor is what puts projects upside down. If you aren't paying for that, you absolutely can break even, or even profit. It is true that you can usually buy a solid car for cheaper than to fix up a rust bucket, but again, whether that is good or bad depends on what the owner wants to gain from the experience.

Brent, you stated this well. Among us really crazy people, the fun is the rebuild. You mention the valuation of labor, that we provide for free. I suggest we are actually paying to play, with money for parts, supplies, tools, etc.

Some wise people have posed the key question: what do you really want to do with your time?

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

I would remove the engine and transmission, sandblast the area and then see what is left that is good That will be the first step. Best thing is that all of the repair panels are available

I’m getting ready to start this project. What is the first few steps?

Build a jig? Any recommendations?
Remove the engine?
?
?
?

Need advice from the wealth of intelligence from this forum please.

Thanks Jeff

[Cairo94507]

So....how does the trailing move up and down with that bar welded to it connected to the engine support bar? Regardless, I agree with the Doc, yank the engine, transaxle and media blast the entire area to see what you really have to work with.

[windforfun]

So....how does the trailing move up and down with that bar welded to it connected to the engine support bar? Regardless, I agree with the Doc, yank the engine, transaxle and media blast the entire area to see what you really have to work with.

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It's time to "gut" the car.

[bbrock]

So....how does the trailing move up and down with that bar welded to it connected to the engine support bar? Regardless, I agree with the Doc, yank the engine, transaxle and media blast the entire area to see what you really have to work with.

Or the alternative question, how does the engine NOT move with the trailing arm? Looks like the bolt in the mount may be missing and the bar was welded to replace? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) That repair is f'd up for sure.

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It's time to "gut" the car.

Seems extreme unless you just mean strip it down to the tub.

[mepstein]

So....how does the trailing move up and down with that bar welded to it connected to the engine support bar? Regardless, I agree with the Doc, yank the engine, transaxle and media blast the entire area to see what you really have to work with.

There might not be much left after blasting.

[Superhawk996]

There might not be much left after blasting.

Nah! Brent started with worse from what we've seen so far. Excluding that trailing arm "fix". Get er' done! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) At worst, you get the salvageable parts off the tub. If it turns out that the tub isn't worth saving, now you're ready for a new tub parts swap!

[mepstein]

There might not be much left after blasting.

Nah! Brent started with worse from what we've seen so far. Excluding that trailing arm "fix". Get er' done! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) At worst, you get the salvageable parts off the tub. If it turns out that the tub isn't worth saving, now you're ready for a new tub parts swap!

I’m just kidding. I’ve learned a lot from parting and cutting up cars. Unfortunately not enough to learn how to put them back together. The ones I cut up wasn’t due to rust but done because the PO’s “repairs”, usually with a stick welder, pop rivet gun and plywood had made the car dangerous and even more difficult to repair.
Whatever the OP decides will be a good learning experience. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)

[Geezer914]

Better off finding a stripped tub from CA with very little rust and use this one for a parts car.

[windforfun]

Better off finding a stripped tub from CA with very little rust and use this one for a parts car.

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[wonkipop]

I’m getting ready to start this project. What is the first few steps?

Build a jig? Any recommendations?
Remove the engine?
?
?
?

Need advice from the wealth of intelligence from this forum please.

Thanks Jeff

this image being detail of same car as steel bar welded from engine mount to suspension trailing arm?

seems to be a glimpse into whats on the other side of a hell hole supernova collapse.

i'd think hard about this one before you start.

Where are you seeing this? In another thread? The image in OP shows metal welded in to bridge rusted floor across the double walled firewall. While it may be an omen of poor quality repairs in other areas of the car, it is a commonly repaired rust area and not that difficult either. Granted, from this one pic I would assume there is a LOT of rust to repair on this car we don't see, but I don't see anything in this pic that makes me think this couldn't be a good PROJECT car.

Are there more pics of this car that I'm missing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

"what makes me think its not a good project car?"
not sure i said that.

i do advise to stop and think.
as others note, whats the rest of the car like.
----------->that requires a stop and think. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

whichever way you look at it, it would appear that is where the car discussed here is at.
not a few repair jobs with the engine in etc as the owner inquires. its a strip down to tub job. and a commitment to years of work.

you can save anything if you have the time, skill and patience.
which again, those of you who have done it, i would not discount the skills you have.
and have used, even if you have taught yourself.