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post Jul 22 2021, 11:40 AM
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Brand new to the 914 world. My car, a 74 2.0 was parked for 25 years, bought as a roller. Now missing the fuel pump( among other stuff) looks like it was plumbed for a 2 port pump anyway as 1 line to the injectors with a return line only at the end of the run, no y connector. I plan to replace all of the fuel lines so now is the time to place the pump. Seems real easy to place on firewall as lots of room there. I have read countless articles but not much recent stuff and most are vague with instructions assuming I have full comprehension of the car, which I don't. It sounds like stainless lines in the tunnel are a must, what fuel pump is suggested? Front or rear?,modify and put in tank?? Suggestions or point me to a current article. Any help really appreciated.
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post Sep 22 2021, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(jcd914 @ Sep 21 2021, 04:59 PM) *
Not advise I would take. They are almost 50 year old plastic not designed to hold the pressure of the Fuel Injection system, just the weight of the fuel in the tank.


Again .. MISINFORMATION! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Ill agree tunnel lines can leak in stock form, but the incidence is (very) low and usually the causal reason is more likely abrasion from PO tinkering than simple pressure.
While its true early cars (70-74) were equipped with tunnel lines that were not designed /spec'ed for the hi-pressure use of the OE FI pump relocated to the front,
I continue to see cars that had been converted like this & have been running & driving for decades.
The late cars 75-76 have PLASTIC (Nylon?) lines that ARE rated for high pressure.
My own experience from breaking many many cars is that the tunnel lines are usually quite pliable and are likley to continue to perform as designed, in most cases.

But use common sense & don't succumb to Internet FUD!
All these cars are nearly 50 years old & its doubtful that Hans & Wolfgang engineers spec'ed these components to last this long.
Add into the mix they carry fuel formulations that are significantly different from the 1970's ... IMO its not a bad idea to replace those lines (in particular early) but to bang the gong that "your all gonna die" unless replaced is irresponsible.

More importantly, if still equipped with OE lines check them at the exit of the firewall in the Eng. compartment.
This where they are exposed to EXTREME HEAT and can degrade crack & cause fires. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

Fire away (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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QUOTE(914werke @ Sep 22 2021, 11:27 AM) *

QUOTE(jcd914 @ Sep 21 2021, 04:59 PM) *
Not advise I would take. They are almost 50 year old plastic not designed to hold the pressure of the Fuel Injection system, just the weight of the fuel in the tank.


Again .. MISINFORMATION! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Ill agree tunnel lines can leak in stock form, but the incidence is (very) low and usually the causal reason is more likely abrasion from PO tinkering than simple pressure.
While its true early cars (70-74) were equipped with tunnel lines that were not designed /spec'ed for the hi-pressure use of the OE FI pump relocated to the front,
I continue to see cars that had been converted like this & have been running & driving for decades.
The late cars 75-76 have PLASTIC (Nylon?) lines that ARE rated for high pressure.
My own experience from breaking many many cars is that the tunnel lines are usually quite pliable and are likley to continue to perform as designed, in most cases.

But use common sense & don't succumb to Internet FUD!
All these cars are nearly 50 years old & its doubtful that Hans & Wolfgang engineers spec'ed these components to last this long.
Add into the mix they carry fuel formulations that are significantly different from the 1970's ... IMO its not a bad idea to replace those lines (in particular early) but to bang the gong that "your all gonna die" unless replaced is irresponsible.

More importantly, if still equipped with OE lines check them at the exit of the firewall in the Eng. compartment.
This where they are exposed to EXTREME HEAT and can degrade crack & cause fires. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

Fire away (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)


I'll disagree with your conclusion but no fire from me.

The thread is about relocating the fuel pump on a 74.
The 74 would have the early plastic lines not the high pressure nylon line the factory switched to for 75/76 when they move the pump up under the tank.
I have seen and worked on 914s where a tunnel line leaked.

So I can't recommend moving the fuel pump to the front and running pressurized fuel through the old plastic line.

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Jim
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Joec   Fuel pump relocation front or rear? Type?   Jul 22 2021, 11:40 AM
ClayPerrine   There is a known issue with vapor lock on 914s. T...   Jul 22 2021, 12:45 PM
rjames   :agree: Move it to the front.   Jul 22 2021, 01:20 PM
NARP74   I have heard you can get by without the relocation...   Jul 22 2021, 01:34 PM
mlindner   Joec, mine in a 914-6 GT Tribute for track but sti...   Jul 22 2021, 01:36 PM
windforfun   Joec, mine in a 914-6 GT Tribute for track but st...   Sep 21 2021, 06:09 PM
advman89   Just ran this gauntlet. The 1971 I got--the lines...   Jul 22 2021, 01:40 PM
willieg   I took some pages out of Tygaboy’s installation ...   Jul 22 2021, 05:01 PM
KSCarrera   RE: Fuel pump relocation front or rear? Type?   Jul 24 2021, 03:19 AM
914Sixer   PLEASE do not use worm gear clamps on fuel lines. ...   Jul 24 2021, 06:04 AM
windforfun   PLEASE do not use worm gear clamps on fuel lines....   Sep 21 2021, 06:11 PM
mlindner   Thanks 914Sixer, will change out. Mark   Jul 25 2021, 04:36 AM
930cabman   Welcome aboard mate. I agree with the replacement ...   Jul 25 2021, 06:50 AM
Joec   Car is rust free, had maybe 1 paint job in its lif...   Aug 7 2021, 02:41 PM
SKL1   Use a rotary pump in the front with Chris' (T...   Aug 7 2021, 09:15 PM
Joec   All ready to order new stainless fuel lines for th...   Sep 21 2021, 04:12 PM
jcd914   All ready to order new stainless fuel lines for t...   Sep 21 2021, 05:59 PM
windforfun   All ready to order new stainless fuel lines for ...   Sep 21 2021, 06:07 PM
jcd914   [quote name='jcd914' post='2947290' date='Sep 21 ...   Sep 21 2021, 07:44 PM
windforfun   [quote name='jcd914' post='2947290' date='Sep 21...   Sep 22 2021, 11:14 AM
Steve   [quote name='jcd914' post='2947290' date='Sep 21...   Sep 22 2021, 02:55 PM
brant   agree with all of the above. the front location so...   Sep 21 2021, 04:17 PM
Jamie   agree with all of the above. the front location s...   Sep 21 2021, 05:09 PM
jim_hoyland   Move the filter and pump to front trunk; added a s...   Sep 21 2021, 06:53 PM
nditiz1   Jim that looks great I may replicate when I move i...   Sep 21 2021, 07:11 PM
914werke   Not advise I would take. They are almost 50 year ...   Sep 22 2021, 12:27 PM
930cabman   Not advise I would take. They are almost 50 year...   Sep 22 2021, 03:36 PM
Steve   [quote name='914werke' post='2947413' date='Sep 2...   Sep 22 2021, 04:33 PM
windforfun   [quote name='914werke' post='2947413' date='Sep ...   Sep 22 2021, 06:54 PM
porschetub   [quote name='914werke' post='2947413' date='Sep ...   Sep 23 2021, 02:23 PM
jcd914   Not advise I would take. They are almost 50 year...   Sep 22 2021, 10:47 PM
wonkipop   Not advise I would take. They are almost 50 year...   Sep 23 2021, 02:29 AM
Joec   I would say where these lines exit the tunnel and ...   Sep 22 2021, 02:20 PM
windforfun   My lines in the engine compartment are still soft ...   Sep 23 2021, 10:57 AM


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