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> Help - Djet running way too rich
Halfnelson
post Jul 23 2021, 06:51 AM
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Help - my new to me 1973 1.7 Djet came running really sweet, but almost immediately developed the 'hunting tick-over' of lean running / air leak. We replaced all the vacuum pipes, found one of the inlet gaskets had a very slight leak. Seems somewhere along the line things have been tweaked to compensate for the leaks so that now they're cured, the car is running super rich. Having had a L-jet for years the Djet is new to me so any advice on where to start first would be much appreciated. Thanks ChrisAttached Image
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post Sep 7 2022, 07:43 PM
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Time Out.

There is a difference between testing and speculation.
Testing is methodical (there's a method) and speculation guessing albeit it MAYBE somewhat educated guessing.

FIRST IS TO Confirm the right parts to the engine. Has this been done?

Let the OP provide results.....I think there is a lot of speculation that throwing partsat the situation is testing and not confirming that a component or system is good. A system is component driven. You need the right components for a 1.7.
First off...is it in fact a 1.7? How do you know that it is? Let’s ASSUME your cam is the stock cam and not another grind. Has the engine ever been rebuilt to your knowledge? You can measure valve lift and degree the cam for duration to be sure.
Make sure all the mechanical systems are within spec. This includes valve function and piston compression specs FIRST. Any failure or out of spec situation here means that you haven't assured that the engine vacuum system mechanically is functional or functioning properly. If not, D-jet won't function properly if at all. You don't have to have the engine running to do this.
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If you’ve checked your valves and compression and this is ok then the next thing to check is the actual system for vacuum leaks...everywhere the is vacuum. You mention that you did this, but a smoke test under vacuum is a very definitive test. Instead it reads like you just visually tested the components and not the intake system like the plenum and all the parts installed. This Do a smoke test to make sure there isn't a crack there or anywhere else. There are threads here on how to do it….safely.

As far as the MPS is concerned...I had an instance where the Diaphragm was cracked and only intermittently would leak which did the same thing...dumped fuel like crazy into the manifold and cylinder to the point where the fuel vapor coming out the exhaust like a white fog and gas dripping out of the tip.

So when you do a test on the MPS you should pull it to about 12 HG and test it for leak down overnight. Make SURE you test it for leak down and not just for a minute or two. Any leak down could mean it is only slightly cracked or it is leaking somewhere. You also did not mention if you testing it electrically. All of this procedure is listed on Brad (Paul) Anders website with addition of all the component testing for the D-jet system. We’ll assume you’ve done this and all the D-jet components test good.

Fuel:
It doesn’t appear that you have a fuel delivery issue except from your post, it appear you have a mismatched injectors….maybe. If you’ve had check for components for the 1.7 D-jet you probably would have picked this up already.
Testing for injectors is best left to hydraulic bench and electrical testing for pintel function and is best left to a house that specializes doing it. Its well worth the money and aggravation. Forget baby jars or coffee cans as a test. They will check mostly for flow rate…that it..not worth your time.
Fuel pressure test is essential and easy to do at the test point at the driver side fuel rail. Check also the fuel tank sock and return lines. and all fuel connections for safety, correct type and for cracks while your’re there. Make sure the fuel pressure is to spec and you don’t need the car running to do this.
Testing for a bad CSV is simple. Just bypass the fuel line for it. There is a gasket there…however youv’e done the smoke test already so don’t worry about it. You found no leaks…right?
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Again we’ll assume you have done a component checks and testing and if good the only check are for there installed function. These are mostly electrical connections such as the ground contacts and wires for the CHT, wires and contact to the head. The test for these are resistance to ground and if either the head thread is dirty and the ground lead to the ECU is not cracked or grounded properly the engine will not run. Period.
The CHT is a thermistor so it is resister to ground but it must ground to provide a signal to the ECU. The full test is to ground the lead and see if the engine will run. Again…if you have tested the harness you know either the CHT is bad or the ECU and if you tested the CHT and the ground points then it HAS to be the ECU. I hate the threads about bad CHT when very rarely do they actually fail.
As already mentioned the dizzy is a big issue, but you should have already confirmed that it is the right dizzy for that displacement and functions properly including the advance and retard vaccum can.

When I fist bought my 73 914 (now almost 20 years ago) I removed the entire top end including all the D-jet parts. I checked them all, cleaned them, and serviced and tested the injectors. I replaced everything that didn’t test or check to spec. It ran flawlessly. In that time I had three failures. The MPS, the ECU and then the dizzy. I replaced the dizzy with a 123 unit and it ran better than it ever did before.

If you do all of the above and mostly in that order your car will be well sorted and provide many years of enjoyment as it did for me. Sometimes I regret selling it but looking back now…years of fun and friends.

Good luck and wrenching.
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Halfnelson   Help - Djet running way too rich   Jul 23 2021, 06:51 AM
rfinegan   Try adjusting the Idle mixture knob on the ECU. I ...   Jul 23 2021, 07:35 AM
jrmdir   Welcome to the D-Jet rich mixture madness. I'm...   Jul 23 2021, 08:19 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   SUPER rich could be blocked fuel return, bad valve...   Jul 23 2021, 08:46 AM
ctc911ctc   That is a beautiful car! SUPER rich could ...   Jul 23 2021, 09:43 AM
Olympic 914   Pull a vacuum on your MPS Make sure your diaphragm...   Jul 23 2021, 11:11 AM
rjames   Pull a vacuum on your MPS Make sure your diaphrag...   Jul 23 2021, 12:02 PM
Dave_Darling   Step 1: Check the ignition system. Yes, seriousl...   Jul 24 2021, 01:05 AM
Halfnelson   Many thanks for all the suggestions - plenty to wo...   Jul 24 2021, 07:44 AM
jrmdir   Hi Halfnelson: Hope this doesn't amount to hij...   Jul 24 2021, 10:05 AM
rjames   Calibrating the MPS correctly requires being able ...   Jul 24 2021, 10:19 AM
brant   Calibrating the MPS correctly requires being able...   Jul 24 2021, 01:09 PM
mgphoto   Calibrating the MPS correctly requires being able...   Sep 6 2022, 01:00 PM
jrmdir   Thanks for the feedback. Just to be clear, I'm...   Jul 24 2021, 02:14 PM
Dave_Darling   Also worth checking the fuel pressure. Should be ...   Jul 24 2021, 07:20 PM
r_towle   Clean the inner parts in the distributor. The adva...   Jul 24 2021, 09:39 PM
Halfnelson   Thanks for everyone's feedback on this. I...   Aug 11 2021, 08:45 AM
Rand   I would have bet MPS. How was it tested? A simple...   Aug 11 2021, 06:30 PM
Halfnelson   OK - so not sorted after all. :headbang: After ...   Aug 20 2021, 07:53 AM
Bartlett 914   OK - so not sorted after all. :headbang: After...   Aug 20 2021, 07:58 AM
Halfnelson   Thanks Mark - have replaced the CHT but will test ...   Aug 20 2021, 09:34 AM
rjames   I had a similar situation and it turned out to be ...   Aug 20 2021, 09:35 AM
Halfnelson   I had a similar situation and it turned out to be...   Aug 20 2021, 09:54 AM
rjames   I had a similar situation and it turned out to b...   Aug 20 2021, 10:15 AM
Rand   What was the difference in idle when you pulled th...   Aug 20 2021, 12:58 PM
rjames   What was the difference in idle when you pulled t...   Aug 20 2021, 02:23 PM
Rand   What was the difference in idle when you pulled ...   Aug 24 2021, 09:10 PM
rjames   [quote name='rjames' post='2939526' date='Aug 20 ...   Aug 24 2021, 09:48 PM
Rand   Yup- I had it backwards. After all the DJet and M...   Aug 24 2021, 09:52 PM
emerygt350   Just out of curiosity, have you checked which inje...   Aug 20 2021, 04:44 PM
Halfnelson   Just out of curiosity, have you checked which inj...   Aug 23 2021, 07:57 AM
Halfnelson   Lots of questions spring to mind like how it was e...   Aug 23 2021, 08:02 AM
emerygt350   I have 1... And it is yellow. I bought those n...   Aug 23 2021, 06:19 PM
emerygt350   The left side is the 2.0   Aug 23 2021, 06:27 PM
steuspeed   Wrong injectors.. amazing! I bought a set of S...   Aug 23 2021, 10:34 PM
ChrisFoley   Those look like 1.8L injectors, for L-Jet. Someone...   Aug 24 2021, 09:52 AM
Halfnelson   Those look like 1.8L injectors, for L-Jet. Someon...   Aug 25 2021, 09:37 AM
emerygt350   Wow, the plot thickens.   Aug 24 2021, 11:23 AM
emerygt350   The one you are looking for is the fj114. 59 doll...   Aug 25 2021, 10:09 AM
Halfnelson   I'm resurrecting this thread if that's ok ...   Sep 6 2022, 10:10 AM
JeffBowlsby   Have you checked your CSV for leakage?   Sep 6 2022, 10:30 AM
JamesM   Have you checked your CSV for leakage? :agree:...   Sep 6 2022, 11:52 AM
Halfnelson   Have you checked your CSV for leakage? :agree...   Sep 6 2022, 12:57 PM
rjames   I spent well over a year troubleshooting a similar...   Sep 6 2022, 11:19 AM
emerygt350   Yeah, check that cold start valve. Any chance you...   Sep 6 2022, 01:01 PM
Halfnelson   Yeah, check that cold start valve. Any chance yo...   Sep 6 2022, 01:07 PM
Lockwodo   Yeah, check that cold start valve. Any chance y...   Sep 7 2022, 04:38 PM
emerygt350   [quote name='Halfnelson' post='3027513' date='Sep...   Sep 7 2022, 05:30 PM
mgphoto   Pull one side of the fuel rail off while the engin...   Sep 6 2022, 01:10 PM
emerygt350   Pull one side of the fuel rail off while the engi...   Sep 6 2022, 01:38 PM
JeffBowlsby   Two other things to check: TS2 - cyl head temp se...   Sep 6 2022, 01:53 PM
rjames   @emerygt350 Not true. What he is experiencing ...   Sep 6 2022, 02:24 PM
emerygt350   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.ph...   Sep 6 2022, 02:40 PM
rjames   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p...   Sep 6 2022, 03:00 PM
emerygt350   I guess there is no reason it couldn't go outs...   Sep 6 2022, 07:00 PM
914_teener   Time Out. There is a difference between testing a...   Sep 7 2022, 07:43 PM
Halfnelson   Finally got a chance to get to the 914 so can conf...   Sep 18 2022, 11:42 AM
emerygt350   Possibly but they look ok.   Sep 18 2022, 05:09 PM


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