 tarett swaybar stuff broke ..., anyone else had problems? |
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| SirAndy |
  Jul 25 2005, 01:10 PM
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Resident German  Group: Admin Posts: 42,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California  |
so on my way to the AX saturday i noticed a "clunk" sound from the frontend, like i had lost something.
i had this happen before, bolt came lose on the swaybar droplink, so i thought that was it ... when i get to the AX site and change tires, i see the droplink hanging all weird so i take a closer look and the lower hime joint has broken. the thread just snapped off the joint. i then continue to change the tire on the other side and it's exactly the same! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) both hime joints broke in the exact same location. that seems too odd to be coincidence. i must have hit something *really* hard for that to happen, but i can't remember running over any bad potholes etc. anyone else had problems before? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Andy |
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| eeyore |
Jul 25 2005, 01:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 889 Joined: 8-January 04 From: meridian, id Member No.: 1,533 Region Association: None |
Didn't you weld on the u-tabs rotated 90 degrees from the stock orientation? (Stock = the bolts run fore-aft)
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| ArtechnikA |
Jul 25 2005, 01:25 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
my rant on "everybody else's" 8mm-5/16" droplinks is on record here multiple times (with pictures).
you broke the Tarett 10mm joints!? zowie... does this look like compressive fracture (are the droplink shafts bent?) do have spacers on each side of the Heim joint to account for the misalignment and keep the joint centered in the shackle? if not, i can see that it could get cocked in there... |
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| Dave_Darling |
Jul 25 2005, 01:38 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,146 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California 
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif)
(and in focus, please!!) Seriously, though--what do the drop-links look like now? Bent, as Rich asks? How do the actual breaks themselves look? Are there "broach marks" that look like ripples from one spot? It's a good idea to talk to Tarrett on this one, see what they have to say. --DD |
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| ChrisReale |
Jul 25 2005, 02:11 PM
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Sleazy Group: Members Posts: 2,665 Joined: 20-January 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 176 |
Yea, doesn't Smart Racing use the smaller 8mm ones? Andy, I have not broke those, but one of my drop links "slipped" out and stripped a bit, but it was fixable. |
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| ArtechnikA |
Jul 25 2005, 02:24 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
yes. i have a Smart front bar. it will be uprated for 10mm hardware before i put it on the car. (i already bought a pair of Tarett adjustable droplinks.) one of the Smart parts will need a small mod; it will IMO be worth it. i understand the 8mm must be "adequate" or we'd be hearing of failures right and left, but i have already had one car destroyed by a drop link Heim joint failure, and i do not mind people pointing and laughing if i over-engineer this part :-) |
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| Katmanken |
Jul 25 2005, 03:13 PM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Sor Ahndie,
Show us a picture of the break! Might be able to determine what caused the failure by the shape of the break and where it started. Ken putting on his Mechanical Engineer hat and looking around for his copy of fracture mechanics.... |
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| SirAndy |
Jul 25 2005, 04:01 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
no camera until wednesday (shannon is on a biz trip in canada and she took the camera) ... drop links don't seem to be bend ...
yes. and i did this so the himejoints wouldn't bind on the u-tabs! the only time they would hit the u-tab is when the car is up on the lift, once on the ground it's perfectly center. hmmmm, now you got me thinking ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) remember when i almost flipped the car over? the front wheel was completely unloaded, meaning the hime-joint must have hit the u-tab holding that wheel up in the air. maybe that was too much ??? but both sides brake at the same time at the same location? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Andy |
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| MattR |
Jul 25 2005, 04:08 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
Ive heard the people at Tarett are very good and stand behind their products. You may try sending Ira an email with pics. Who knows, it may be a product flaw and he'll correct it (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)
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| Ira Ramin |
Aug 2 2005, 08:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 4-February 03 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 237 |
Hi Andy,
Was it the upper or lower rod ends? I’m guessing that it’s the lowers. Not sure if I agree with rotating the mounting tabs. Check to see if they got bent. Rotating them will probably cause binding when the car is jacket up and the front suspension drops. They may also bind when the suspension is compressed. Please PM me with pictures and your address, and I’ll send you new parts. Then we can figure out where the binding is coming from. I’ll also need to know which thread you need (right or left), and if you need new drop links too. Thanks, Ira |
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| Aaron Cox |
Aug 2 2005, 09:13 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: Corona, CA Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
Ira's stuff rocks....
i snapped a Utab off on a pothole - and it pulled the lower heim with it.... ira stands behind his stuff. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Aug 2 2005, 10:05 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
hey ira, i'll take pictures tomorrow and post them here. the reason why i moved the u-tabs 90 deg. was because with the swaybar on full soft (where i was running it) the heim-joint would hit the top of the u-tab under normal operation. might had to do with the drop-links as they were too long for my setup. both heims are screwed in completely to make the droplink as short as possible, still, on full soft or full tight they would hit. with the u-tabs turned 90 deg, the only time they would hit was on full decompression (car on the lift) ... it'll make more sense with pictures ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif) Andy |
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| Ira Ramin |
Aug 3 2005, 11:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 4-February 03 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 237 |
Andy,
Your explanation makes full sense, and I’ve heard of 914’s not being able to be set full soft before. I’ve also heard of them being set full soft without any problems, so I’m not sure what the problem is. It may just be on the edge of working, or not working in this case. Anyone else seeing this, please let me know? It looks ok on my 911, but the 914 swaybar may be in a slightly different location to clear the gas tank. Here is the drop link at full tilt. The rod end is hitting on the spacer before it can touch the bracket. This is on of my brackets, but the factory one is similar. If your bracket is higher and hitting, maybe it can be shortened. If the spacer is causing the problem, maybe I can change it to allow for more clearance. What do you think about a compromise of rotating the bracket 45 deg.? Either way, we need to get it back together and figure out what the problem is. Let me know what you need and where to send the parts. No charge, I just want to solve this. I’ll be out of town next week, so let me know soon if you need parts before then. Thanks, Ira Attached image(s) 
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| Dave_Darling |
Aug 3 2005, 11:53 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,146 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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Now, that, my friends, is what I call Customer Service!!!
--DD |
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| McMark |
Aug 4 2005, 01:27 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Way to go IRA! Your stock just jumped big time in my book. This is the way to run business. Lots of companies ignore problems like this. You rock man.
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| SteveSr |
Aug 4 2005, 08:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 7-October 03 From: Knox,In. Member No.: 1,223 |
I was considering a Tarett bar for my car,now I know I'll get one!!!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif)
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| Series9 |
Aug 4 2005, 09:25 AM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,446 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Yep, that'll do it for me too. The RS is getting one of Ira's bars.
Hey Ira, how about a group deal? I bet you could sell 20 of these today. |
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| Mueller |
Aug 4 2005, 09:30 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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oh no...the dreaded "group buy"...run...run.... I guess Joe was not around for "that" one...got a little ugly... |
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| Series9 |
Aug 4 2005, 09:45 AM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,446 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Yeah (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) , guess I missed that one... |
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| Mueller |
Aug 4 2005, 09:55 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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a few years ago Ira agreed to do a group buy for his swaybars thru the 'club...someone started to post the deal on other sites....people who bought bars in the past got upset*, shops got upset and since Ira sells my roller bearing kits, people "assumed" these would be marked down as well and it just got ugly...I posted my bearings would not be part of a group buy..period Ira ended the group buy for his bars and I think he honered a few purchases...Ira is a stand up guy a true trooper when it comes supporting us 914 guys (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) *asking for a refund of the difference |
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