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wonkipop
post Nov 25 2021, 04:35 PM
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@StarBear & @wonkipop want to hear from members who own 1974 1.8s.
to assist with a topic in originality section of the website.

Cars need to be reasonably original with L jet fuel injection system intact.

If you have the time and can help us with some information it would be great.

information.

1. Vin Date - month and year (no need to post vin numbers if you don't want to). thats the date on the driver door sticker.

2. Karmann plate #. or if you have already done the maths, the day and week of the year the car began production.

3. Image of engine bay emission sticker (lhs above the air cleaner - white with red letters). sticker should say whether it is an EC-A or an EC-B engine and whether it is california + EPA or only EPA.

4. image of engine tune up sticker.
this is the small white sticker that is on LHS engine tin just below fan shroud.
most of them are gone by now, but some engines still have them.

5. image of the throttle body. image of the distributor.
we are looking at the vacuum hose set up between the distributor and the throttle body.

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post Nov 29 2021, 10:27 PM
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i am as dumb as all you guys when it comes to pollution regs.

but i got curious when mr. b told us there was a california and there was a 49 states car.
because that is not the history i knew commonly told re 1.8s.
the accepted version is all 1.8s were 50 state cars.

mr. b popped up his sticker.

his theory was that an EC-A was 49 state.
and an EC-B was california.

but thats not so. the stickers prove it.

the only thing i can find of any real substance is that california demanded significantly lower NOx emissions for 1974. and that would not show up in the standard smog tests of the time. they measured CO, CO2 and HC at the smog test. thats the smog test where you drove your car in and they stuck the probe in (this won't hurt a bit (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) )

but where NOx etc got properly analysed was in a much more serious test the manufacturers had to do. that test involved pulling a car off the production line at intervals and testing it against data already lodged with the EPA and CARB.
technically what EC-A and EC-B mean is not engine type but engine test - at least for the EPA etc.

so thats what i know.

i was once a geek. i am returning to my childhood. its probably a sign of senility.

but its kind of interesting since the 1.8 is the first serious smog engine.
and they did it without too much choke down stuff on it.

i've certainly made my self learn about double vac distributors and its given me a bit of a sense of what is different between an EC-A and an EC-B.

my theory is they are equal in emissions for the purposes of the 1974 tailpipe smog test and certification.
they both retard at idle to get NOx down.
so long as CO/CO2/HC etc measured fine at the smog test the california authorities would have said the car was in tune and passed.
even though they were not actually directly measuring NOx.


but they behave differently at cruise and when you go to stamp the power while you are already at cruise.

the ones with the vac advance should be advanced well beyond what the mechanical advance does on distributor. thats going to be great for fuel economy. but its not going to be so great for instant bright throttle response if you plant the foot while already at cruise?

someone with a better feel for how all the vacuum advance stuff worked might know better?
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wonkipop   Members with 74 1.8   Nov 25 2021, 04:35 PM
StarBear   Especially if your 1.8L was built in late 73 or th...   Nov 25 2021, 05:46 PM
JeffBowlsby   Would be helpful to add some samples of these labe...   Nov 25 2021, 08:55 PM
wonkipop   emission sticker. tune up sticker throt...   Nov 25 2021, 10:03 PM
Arno914   You probably know this already: Only US 1.8l 914´...   Nov 26 2021, 02:19 AM
wonkipop   You probably know this already: Only US 1.8l 914Â...   Nov 26 2021, 03:34 AM
Van B   Jeff, good idea for posting an example. It gave me...   Nov 26 2021, 12:05 PM
wonkipop   @Van B thanks mate. gold. :beer2: (you mig...   Nov 26 2021, 03:43 PM
Van B   I have not worked that out. Would you mind breakin...   Nov 26 2021, 05:15 PM
wonkipop   I have not worked that out. Would you mind breaki...   Nov 26 2021, 05:40 PM
RRietman   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Nov 26 2021, 05:57 PM
wonkipop   @RRietman thanks mate. :beer2: EDIT. just t...   Nov 26 2021, 06:00 PM
StarBear   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Nov 26 2021, 06:09 PM
wonkipop   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?...   Nov 26 2021, 07:02 PM
RRietman   [quote name='StarBear' post='2962812' date='Nov 2...   Nov 27 2021, 02:46 PM
Shivers   I have one of these but it is just a tub, nothing ...   Nov 26 2021, 07:37 PM
wonkipop   I have one of these but it is just a tub, nothing...   Nov 26 2021, 07:43 PM
wonkipop   I have one of these but it is just a tub, nothing...   Nov 26 2021, 07:48 PM
Shivers   I have one of these but it is just a tub, nothin...   Nov 26 2021, 07:52 PM
ClayPerrine   I have one of these but it is just a tub, nothin...   Nov 27 2021, 02:32 AM
Shivers   [quote name='wonkipop' post='2962842' date='Nov 2...   Nov 27 2021, 08:31 AM
Shivers   I registered the VIN here under the name So.Cal.91...   Nov 26 2021, 07:51 PM
Van B   I'm gonna start calling you Shivers the thread...   Nov 27 2021, 09:10 AM
Shivers   Aaarrrg   Nov 27 2021, 09:27 AM
wonkipop   @Shivers thanks for the can info, looked up the c...   Nov 27 2021, 04:50 PM
Shivers   Sorry I couldn't help. @wonkipop   Nov 27 2021, 05:07 PM
wonkipop   Sorry I couldn't help. [b]@[url=http://www...   Nov 27 2021, 05:14 PM
L-Jet914   Here is the data from my 1974 1.8L L-jet. Stock FI...   Nov 27 2021, 09:28 PM
L-Jet914   More photos   Nov 27 2021, 09:29 PM
Van B   Oh the guys are gonna be so happy when they see th...   Nov 27 2021, 11:40 PM
wonkipop   STOKED :beer2: mr. b is going to be happy too....   Nov 27 2021, 11:55 PM
L-Jet914   STOKED :beer2: mr. b is going to be happy too...   Nov 27 2021, 11:58 PM
wonkipop   STOKED :beer2: mr. b is going to be happy to...   Nov 28 2021, 12:09 AM
StarBear   STOKED :beer2: mr. b is going to be happy too...   Nov 28 2021, 08:21 AM
wonkipop   STOKED :beer2: mr. b is going to be happy to...   Nov 28 2021, 03:12 PM
Van B   Based on my trials, I would wager that the ECU is ...   Nov 28 2021, 12:15 AM
nihil44   My contribution. Imported into Aus in 1990. Conver...   Nov 28 2021, 12:34 AM
wonkipop   Based on my trials, I would wager that the ECU is...   Nov 28 2021, 12:46 AM
wonkipop   Based on my trials, I would wager that the ECU is...   Nov 28 2021, 05:27 AM
wonkipop   Based on my trials, I would wager that the ECU is...   Dec 1 2021, 04:41 PM
wonkipop   @nihil44 i was waiting for you to come through. ...   Nov 28 2021, 12:40 AM
L-Jet914   I don't why the vacuum T was installed in betw...   Nov 28 2021, 12:54 AM
wonkipop   I don't why the vacuum T was installed in bet...   Nov 28 2021, 03:11 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 don't worry as to what or the why y...   Nov 28 2021, 03:05 AM
Porschef   @Big Len   Nov 28 2021, 08:45 AM
wonkipop   @nihil44 yours is real interesting. theoretical...   Nov 28 2021, 03:16 PM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 i think i have figured out what the mo...   Nov 28 2021, 03:33 PM
L-Jet914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Nov 28 2021, 09:04 PM
wonkipop   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?...   Nov 29 2021, 02:42 AM
wonkipop   another member here working on the texas twins has...   Nov 28 2021, 04:19 PM
StarBear   another member here working on the texas twins ha...   Nov 28 2021, 04:30 PM
wonkipop   another member here working on the texas twins h...   Nov 28 2021, 04:57 PM
Van B   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-...65737...   Nov 28 2021, 10:40 PM
Big Len   Here's a few pics of my 1.8. I don't see a...   Nov 29 2021, 12:26 PM
Big Len   RE: Members with 74 1.8   Nov 29 2021, 12:28 PM
Big Len   RE: Members with 74 1.8   Nov 29 2021, 12:28 PM
Big Len   RE: Members with 74 1.8   Nov 29 2021, 12:29 PM
Big Len   RE: Members with 74 1.8   Nov 29 2021, 12:30 PM
Van B   @Big Len First, your car looks incredible man, I...   Nov 29 2021, 01:14 PM
Big Len   @Big Len First, your car looks incredible man, I...   Nov 29 2021, 01:47 PM
wonkipop   @Big Len First, your car looks incredible man, I...   Nov 29 2021, 03:58 PM
StarBear   @Big Len First, your car looks incredible man, I...   Nov 29 2021, 05:24 PM
wonkipop   thanks for posting up @Big Len very nice looking c...   Nov 29 2021, 03:40 PM
Van B   It’s covered in overspray from a paint job that ...   Nov 29 2021, 04:56 PM
Van B   @StarBear Got the paper, thanks bud! How are ...   Nov 29 2021, 08:59 PM
StarBear   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Nov 30 2021, 07:05 AM
wonkipop   just found another member here on the vin list thr...   Nov 29 2021, 09:43 PM
Van B   Wait, EC-B is the 49 state setup. My car was never...   Nov 29 2021, 09:59 PM
wonkipop   Wait, EC-B is the 49 state setup. My car was neve...   Nov 29 2021, 10:05 PM
wonkipop   here is the sticker for the mythical car.   Nov 29 2021, 10:10 PM
Van B   Well, ok, but not tonight. Do you know Mr. Researc...   Nov 29 2021, 10:17 PM
wonkipop   i am as dumb as all you guys when it comes to poll...   Nov 29 2021, 10:27 PM
wonkipop   re 49 state cars. theoretically given that only c...   Nov 29 2021, 10:34 PM
wonkipop   RE: Members with 74 1.8   Nov 29 2021, 10:42 PM
Van B   Well, I guess I’ll get my lucky underseat quarte...   Nov 29 2021, 11:00 PM
wonkipop   this is the only other thing i know about US smog ...   Nov 29 2021, 11:26 PM
L-Jet914   this is the only other thing i know about US smog...   Nov 30 2021, 12:14 AM
wonkipop   van - USA emissions regs ran on MY for cars was th...   Nov 29 2021, 11:42 PM
Van B   I agree about the model year applicability, but th...   Nov 30 2021, 12:09 AM
wonkipop   I agree about the model year applicability, but t...   Nov 30 2021, 12:46 AM
L-Jet914   CARB EO A-7-5 which has since been rescinded and A...   Nov 30 2021, 12:31 AM
wonkipop   nice stuff @L-Jet914 there are all sorts of fol...   Nov 30 2021, 12:44 AM
L-Jet914   nice stuff [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2...   Nov 30 2021, 01:44 AM
wonkipop   nice stuff [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs...   Nov 30 2021, 02:10 AM
wonkipop   @L-Jet914 that really is the japanese gold of be...   Nov 30 2021, 12:51 AM
wonkipop   those EC-d or is it EC-D (whatever) - they had EGR...   Nov 30 2021, 01:07 AM
Van B   I'm curious if the signature dates on those fo...   Nov 30 2021, 01:18 AM
wonkipop   there is something going on - thats for sure.   Nov 30 2021, 01:28 AM
wonkipop   ok @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?...   Nov 30 2021, 02:38 AM
wonkipop   found where LJet914 got the California Air Resourc...   Nov 30 2021, 11:54 AM
Van B   shouldn't you be asleep?!   Nov 30 2021, 12:57 PM
wonkipop   shouldn't you be asleep?! yeah, should ...   Nov 30 2021, 04:26 PM
JeffBowlsby   The CA-only decal for the side windows was probabl...   Nov 30 2021, 02:17 PM
wonkipop   @JeffBowlsby . thanks for those windscreen decels...   Nov 30 2021, 05:10 PM
L-Jet914   @wonkipop You are correct the A-7-5-A is the revi...   Nov 30 2021, 10:37 PM
wonkipop   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Nov 30 2021, 11:10 PM
wonkipop   i cracked the Executive Order open a little bit mo...   Dec 1 2021, 01:21 AM
wonkipop   i think i have worked out this emission sticker th...   Dec 1 2021, 05:05 PM
Van B   Ok, so I’m following everything but the fact tha...   Dec 1 2021, 05:53 PM
wonkipop   Ok, so I’m following everything but the fact th...   Dec 1 2021, 06:22 PM
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