Lance's 914 Options

[fiacra]

@NotLance Hey Lance - As I mentioned, I can make room for you to work on your car here At The Red Barn. But I do have to warn you: every 914 that's shown up here without an engine in it has ended up, well, you know! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
But seriously, I'll have a spot ready for you and you're welcome to the QuickJacks and all my tools.

Maybe we also do a "work party" and invite folks over for a "lunch/help out as they can" sort of thing?

Once you zero in on a time frame, let me know and we can work up a plan.

That is an offer you should not turn down! Count me in for any work "party" that gets put together.

[yellowporky]

Lance,
You are welcome to come take a look at my 73 that is running a completely stock FI in case you want to take reference photos
PM me. I am in Martinez
Chris

[NotLance]

Lance,
You are welcome to come take a look at my 73 that is running a completely stock FI in case you want to take reference photos
PM me. I am in Martinez
Chris

Thank you so much! I would love to come see your car, especially since you in the same city as my parents! The next time I'm up in the bay I'll definitely reach out.

[NotLance]

@NotLance Hey Lance - As I mentioned, I can make room for you to work on your car here At The Red Barn. But I do have to warn you: every 914 that's shown up here without an engine in it has ended up, well, you know! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
But seriously, I'll have a spot ready for you and you're welcome to the QuickJacks and all my tools.

Maybe we also do a "work party" and invite folks over for a "lunch/help out as they can" sort of thing?

Once you zero in on a time frame, let me know and we can work up a plan.

Like Fiacra and sb914 said, you are the best. I'll come with my pitchfork to ward away any water cooled engines that try to sneak into my engine bay (IMG:style_emoticons/default/parry.gif)

The more the merrier in my eyes! Help out or hang out, I love the 914 community.

In the opinions of those who know, would three days of me working fairly non-stop be enough time? I can fairly easily skip my Monday lectures which would give a full Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Engine is pretty much disassembled to the long block.

While the college student life comes with many negatives, one positive is that I come with a fairly unlimited ability to work semi-continuously. I'm no stranger to spending 20 hour days during the weekend working on a bicycle frame at our schools machine shop.

[NotLance]

Okay update that changes things a bit - the engine is going to be put in by the shop that works on my dad's 911 (and has for decades, family friends we trust). Still wouldn't say no to a work day at Chris's though if opportunity arises (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

What I need to figure out is what to do about my fueling system. The shop is saying to use smaller Weber's but everything I read is 40's with 32 venturis and jets to match which is what I had read was the best for carbs on these engines (2.0).

As the assumption is the cam is stock, I would trend towards either using my existing carbs or the FI. Attached is a list of pros and cons I made up for my exact circumstances.

I KNOW CARBS VS FI IS NOT A KOSHER SUBJECT BE COOL I JUST WANNA KNOW PROS AND CONS



That said, if I am missing any pros or cons, please let me know.

I am pretty good adjusting and tuning carbs, but would love to learn about the d-jet fuel injection

[worn]

@NotLance Hey Lance - As I mentioned, I can make room for you to work on your car here At The Red Barn. But I do have to warn you: every 914 that's shown up here without an engine in it has ended up, well, you know! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
But seriously, I'll have a spot ready for you and you're welcome to the QuickJacks and all my tools.

Maybe we also do a "work party" and invite folks over for a "lunch/help out as they can" sort of thing?

Once you zero in on a time frame, let me know and we can work up a plan.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Love this . Lance is a great guy and Chris is a great guy.
Wish I could come see .

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[yellowporky]

Lance,
When i had my first 914 at age 18 it came with carbs and i was living in Ashland Oregon at the time. With lots of hills you were always in the throttle and with the carbs right behind your head it was not pleasant for a daily. Don't get me wrong i love intake noise and a loud muffler but this was too much. I was so happy when i replaced the carbs with factory fuel injection.
If the factory fuel injection is all in good working order and no vacuum leaks you don't need to adjust anything.
If this if for a daily you will love the fuel economy of the FI over the carbs
Just something to think about.
Chris

[fiacra]

A few more cons for carbs:

- I couldn't stand the stench of gasoline that I constantly had with my 914 with carbs
- No choke, so you have to keep on it until it is fully warmed up

I think the big pro for you is that they can simply transfer over the fuel system from your old motor and get you back on the road quicker. If your current carbs were fine on the other engine I don't see an issue with keeping them. There is also a lot more work to put together the FI system than simply slapping on what came with the engine. I would get a new FI harness from Jeff, have the MPS rebuilt, get a 123 distributor, have the injectors refurbished, etc. Don't forget you'll also need the correct high pressure fuel pump. You can't reuse the one for carbs. You dad said the shop rate is $230 an hour, and all that extra time and cost for parts is going to add up quickly. You can get the FI system put together over time, something I'm glad to help you out with by supplying missing parts if I have them, and then do the conversion yourself over a few days. Get it back together, running, driving, and then do a planned and organized FI conversion in the future, or have the shop do it then once you put together the conversion package. That's my two cents (which coincidentally is also my hourly rate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ).

Has the shop inspected the engine yet? Fingers crossed... Let me know what they say. I know I sold it to you as-is, represented and priced as a core engine, and you are essentially taking the same risk I did when I bought it, but if it turns out to be a pile of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/post-2-1117899824.gif) you know where to reach me. We'll figure out how to make it right. My karma is worth more to me than the price of an engine.

[Shivers]

I love the sound of my webers. It sounds like an old Porsche. With everything buttoned up I never had fuel smell until the lines under the tank leaked. If you are building it to sell, trouble yourself with the FI. If not…

[NotLance]

We put a bore scope inside the engine and it looks like it is a good one, will keep you updated!

[NotLance]

Some good news - my father picked up my car this past Friday, and says the motor is running strong.

I'll be taking the train up to Martinez w/ a buddy to bring it down to SLO the coming weekend.

Oh yeah and we put back on my Weber's becuase it was the most straightforward path, but I am going to slowly track down the rest of the FI parts if I ever want to do the swap.

[tygaboy]

Hey Lance - Great to hear you're back on the road! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Safe travels, kick some ass at school and we'll hope to see you soon!

[fiacra]

Some good news - my father picked up my car this past Friday, and says the motor is running strong.

I'll be taking the train up to Martinez w/ a buddy to bring it down to SLO the coming weekend.

Oh yeah and we put back on my Weber's becuase it was the most straightforward path, but I am going to slowly track down the rest of the FI parts if I ever want to do the swap.

@NotLance

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That's great news! I've actually been hanging on to the cash your dad gave me for the motor just in case it turned out to be bad. I'll head to the bank today and put it safely away.

I think it was a wise path forward to stick with the carbs for the moment and do a planned FI conversion later. When you have a chance look through what came with the motor and put together a list of anything missing and then let me know what you need. I have a stash of FI parts for my cars that I can share.

If you didn't use that 2.0 tin for your car you might consider selling it here to recover some costs. Somebody would probably be happy to get a nice set of tin that is powder coated blue. Or, hang on to it for the future in case you need it. Good condition 2.0 tin is apparently hard to come by.

[NotLance]

Some good news - my father picked up my car this past Friday, and says the motor is running strong.

I'll be taking the train up to Martinez w/ a buddy to bring it down to SLO the coming weekend.

Oh yeah and we put back on my Weber's becuase it was the most straightforward path, but I am going to slowly track down the rest of the FI parts if I ever want to do the swap.

@NotLance

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That's great news! I've actually been hanging on to the cash your dad gave me for the motor just in case it turned out to be bad. I'll head to the bank today and put it safely away.

I think it was a wise path forward to stick with the carbs for the moment and do a planned FI conversion later. When you have a chance look through what came with the motor and put together a list of anything missing and then let me know what you need. I have a stash of FI parts for my cars that I can share.

If you didn't use that 2.0 tin for your car you might consider selling it here to recover some costs. Somebody would probably be happy to get a nice set of tin that is powder coated blue. Or, hang on to it for the future in case you need it. Good condition 2.0 tin is apparently hard to come by.

A very kind sentiment - and forever grateful!!!

Good idea on the 2.0 tin - definitely going to catalog what I don't need two of based on what was salvageable from the old engine.


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[NotLance]

Hey Lance - Great to hear you're back on the road! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Safe travels, kick some ass at school and we'll hope to see you soon!

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[NotLance]

Compiling some of the info from the thread that I started regarding rough running of my engine after picking it up this past week...

I took the train up with a friend and we made our way down from Martinez to SLO. It's a good 250 miles, and so I was excited but nervous just in case something went wrong. Immediately the engine I got from fiacra felt strong, and it was amazing to have it back on the road. I got to meet up with James as well on my way down and its always nice to catch up with friends. (Plus his car is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) ) I knew however, that it needed something. What that was I wasn't sure, but after speaking with the fine folk on this forum it seemed to be a timing and carb issue.

Based on advice here, I acquired a timing gun, and verified the timing to the fan housing. If those marks are right - who knows (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) So next adventure is timing it to the flywheel. That should come soon. Excited to mess with timing as its a new to me way to improve my car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As for the carbs, tore my hair out messing with them, ultimately took it to the local shop to work some magic. Things got them better, but it's still not living up to what I think the true potential of the engine should be. We suspect the jets/venturi setup, but it was tuned to the best of its ability with current hardware.

Its a magical feeling being able to drive again, and don't get me wrong biking everywhere was good for me but nothing beats rocking down to pismo beach with the top off.... Thanks for all the help so far to get it to this point again!



Photo from a cars and coffee I went to before my engine went kaboom with Chris (tygaboy)

[NotLance]

Another day, another fix.

Last week I lost the first reverse gate, as in pressing against the spring for the gate and pressing forwards puts me in 2nd, and towards me puts me in first. Then 4th seems to be where 2nd is and 5th is where 3rd is. Basically, they have all shifted over in place.

Clutch action is fantastic, and it engages the gears it can get to no problem

Looking through threads I found this:

"It’s the lateral throw that’s not far enough. You loose these gears when the stock knuckle bushings fail. It doesn’t “twist” enough." - Mikey914

This is the first thing I'm going to check, is there anything else I should take a look out for? Taking things apart now, will update.



Oh also I can rotate the whole shift lever about 30 degrees about its axis with seemingly no effect.... Never tried per say to do this before but it feels like it shouldn't be able to do that

[porsche-racer]

Awesome! Welcome to the hobby. Have fun and be safe!

[Jack Standz]

Not sure if you're still running the tail shifter transmission. If you are, you won't have a "knuckle bushing" (shift rod coupler).

If it's a side shifter, could be a conical screw (guess is the front one in the rear shift rod by the shift rod coupler). Tail shifter guess would be the clamp at the back end of the front shift rod (even though there is a conical scew at the front of the front shift rod). Next/while you are in there, take a look at all the bushings.

Best wishes for getting her fixed!

[930cabman]

I do not have experience with the tail shift mechanism, only side shift, but the symptom you describe are related to the shift rod and it's several bushings and the cone screw. Mostly straightforward mechanics and great shifting is your reward.