Door hinges, Original door hinges… Painted? Options

[fixer34]

I'll add to the mysteries... Factory -6, I've had it since 1977 and don't remember ever having the door off or touching up this area. Both pins are painted and it looks like the exposed shaft is also.

[SirAndy]

Always only seen fully painted on original cars ...
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[mepstein]

I'll add to the mysteries... Factory -6, I've had it since 1977 and don't remember ever having the door off or touching up this area. Both pins are painted and it looks like the exposed shaft is also.

Do you have green overspray on your rubber seal. It’s hard to tell but if you do, that area was touched up at one point.
My friend worked at a Mercedes dealer touching up and doing repairs to brand new cars that came in for sale. There were always enough new cars to keep him busy.

[wonkipop]

Always only seen fully painted on original cars ...
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looking closely at blue six on previous page it looks like blue paint around edges of top of pin. as if it was painted all over but perhaps has had pins driven out or paint has come off tops of pins.

maybe the 6s were all painted originally?

i had a look back over stuff i have collected for 1.8 research.
some of examples were original condition cars.
all have the unpainted pin but painted bolts.

if the pins on mine had been painted there would be a trace somewhere.
nothing there.

mystery of the 914 again?


or......early cars (4s and 6s) got painted pins?

[wonkipop]

couple more 74s from research file.

[StarBear]

I’m convinced by the data and pics provided. Mine must have been changed out somewhere along the line of me not paying attention to this stuff. Heads definitely worked on. Will clean, prime, and paint back to original. Adding it to “the list” for getting ready for the New Hope PA show on the 15th.

[SKL1]

Don't have a picture handy but I've had my early '71 since new and it has painted hinges and bolts.... and unfortunately some Ziebart plugs as well- I lived in Iowa and had to drive it in the winter for its first 4 years.
(but I did take the rockers off a couple times a winter to clean everything out!!)

[SirAndy]

or......early cars (4s and 6s) got painted pins?

That's my hunch. My '70 /4 had the original signal orange painted over the pins.
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[bbrock]

I know this is a bit of apples and oranges being a different model, factory, and time, but this video clearly shows the doors of 356s were on the chassis when color was sprayed at 13:36. If the 914 assembly was similar, the bolts and pins would have been painted.

Then later in the video, the doors are removed to assemble them and reinstalled later. Hypothetically, it might be possible for a set of bolts to get damaged or misplaced during that process and replaced with a set of unpainted bolts. Thus, the ultra-rare original car with unpainted bolts could leave the factory.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7KTZ2MOgo

[StarBear]

Wonder what a comparison to other Karmann cars (Gaia, 411/412?) might reveal. At this point I’ll go with mine have been replaced somewhere along the line but I didn’t pay attention. Will clean/prime/paint them.

[nathanxnathan]

The car I've been working on is pretty early, 987th car built, November 69 chassis number. I'm working on the doors. I stripped the paint using Citrus Strip which doesn't take the original paint off very well, and the is no orange on the pins.

[mepstein]

Some of the very early cars are quite different from even the later 70’s but then again, with the big speaker cutout in the door, who knows what else has been done to the doors on that car.

[nathanxnathan]

Some of the very early cars are quite different from even the later 70’s but then again, with the big speaker cutout in the door, who knows what else has been done to the doors on that car.

The doors appear to be original.

That door was painted 3 times after the factory — 1 time Tangerine, and then red and then a lighter red.

However, after stripping, the original orange paint was evident on the door bolts but not the pins which is consistent with rest of the cars shown in this thread (except the 6 that is highly suspect on account of it having overspray on the rubber seal).

One could say that any car could have had the doors taken off at the pins and the paint chipped off and then reinstalled. It's unlikely in my mind that plasma torch wielding car audio installers did anything to the door pins on this car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[wonkipop]

I know this is a bit of apples and oranges being a different model, factory, and time, but this video clearly shows the doors of 356s were on the chassis when color was sprayed at 13:36. If the 914 assembly was similar, the bolts and pins would have been painted.

Then later in the video, the doors are removed to assemble them and reinstalled later. Hypothetically, it might be possible for a set of bolts to get damaged or misplaced during that process and replaced with a set of unpainted bolts. Thus, the ultra-rare original car with unpainted bolts could leave the factory.

Yes, it is wild speculation but (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7KTZ2MOgo

re factories, i think all the 912s in the 60s were built at karmann to the same level as later 914/6s. finished and trimmed apart from suspension and drive train. 912s would be a good place to look.

[wonkipop]

Some of the very early cars are quite different from even the later 70’s but then again, with the big speaker cutout in the door, who knows what else has been done to the doors on that car.

The doors appear to be original.

That door was painted 3 times after the factory — 1 time Tangerine, and then red and then a lighter red.

However, after stripping, the original orange paint was evident on the door bolts but not the pins which is consistent with rest of the cars shown in this thread (except the 6 that is highly suspect on account of it having overspray on the rubber seal).

One could say that any car could have had the doors taken off at the pins and the paint chipped off and then reinstalled. It's unlikely in my mind that plasma torch wielding car audio installers did anything to the door pins on this car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

the blue six on previous page has blue paint around the edges of the hinge pin.
and there is SKL1's car.

definitely later 914s are not painted there.
there are enough real original condition cars to say that for certain.
its interesting re the earlier cars.
if they were when is the cut off?
original poster's question is for a 72. so if they were painted his might be in the zone.

got taught a lesson about using logic when it came to 1.8s and EC-A or B engines.
so shouldn't speculate.
but it might be a legacy of porsche involvement in having a 6 model.
something they wanted done. might co-incide with the end of the 6.
but you know. it could just as easily be a revision of assembly line procedure at karmann and have nothing to do with either VW or Porsche. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[wonkipop]

i had a high speed cruise through BAT on 912s.

hard to find an original paint one. most have been restored, repainted etc.

but i did find this and i think it looks like untouched original paint.

[wonkipop]

another 74 from the 1.8 engine research.
44K mile 74 1.8 that sold a few years back on BAT and looked to be the real deal. matches mine.

[nathanxnathan]

if they were when is the cut off?
original poster's question is for a 72. so if they were painted his might be in the zone.

My 4/72 build date 72 was never painted (after the factory). The pins are unpainted, the door bolts are painted.



The later cars (my 72) have pointed end door bolts but my 70 and 71 have flat end "regular" door hinge bolts. Possibly this could indicate the doors were taken off then put back on at the factory, Idk.

[wonkipop]

here is a 72 just up on BAT.
inners all looked to be factory original paint on it.

[wonkipop]

had a good look in 912 section of BAT.
managed to find a couple of cars that looked in the main unrestored with original paint on inners.

bit hard to find as most 912s have been restored, in some cases several times over.

looks reasonably certain that karmann were painting hinge pins in the 60s when doing these porsche bodies.




this one looks at first glance to be unpainted hinge pin, but close look you can see paint on edge of pin top.