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Put a 2.7 6 into a 72 Bay Window Bus?, Porsche content. Don't judge me! |
VaccaRabite |
Nov 3 2022, 12:31 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,407 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
So, Lets say you had a 2.7L 6 with complete and intact CIS, good compression, taken out of a running car that wanted to go electric.
And lets say you had a Bay Window Westy. And, for the sake of argument - what do you think it would take to put them together. I've got the 915 and the engine and a bus that's about 70% through its restoration. Current plan is to get the bus running on its existing 1.7 first. Then add the engine to the bus transmission and drive it like that. And eventually add the 915 into the mix which may or may not require a bunch of changes. I know that this is a thing that has been done. Anyone done it? For the first stage - I'd need an oil tank (maybe - may have one), and would need tins. A different flywheel and maybe a different clutch - may be able to take these off the bus. I'll need exhaust. Heat isn't a concern - I'm using a diesel heater for heat so I am not worried about heat exchangers. I suppose another option might be to put it into a dune buggy... but no. The bus will like it a good bit more. Zach |
willieg |
Nov 3 2022, 12:38 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 130 Joined: 13-August 18 From: Pleasant Hill Member No.: 22,389 Region Association: Northern California |
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bdstone914 |
Nov 3 2022, 12:46 PM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,496 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
I know a guy that but a 3.2 in a bus with Porsche brakes all around and a 915. Blue bus with big flanes down the side. Do it. They need power.
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GregAmy |
Nov 3 2022, 12:46 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,262 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
There's a couple of Type 2s with Porsche /6 in 'em up here in the Northeast, I see them at car shows. Put I don't ahve any contact info for you...
I'd say start hitting blogs and forums, see what you find. But...you sure you want to do that to a Westy? I mean, it would certainly make it more usable...actually, now that I typed that, yeah, I'd do it. |
kerensky |
Nov 3 2022, 12:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 531 Joined: 1-February 06 From: Norman, OK Member No.: 5,508 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Horrible idea, you need to toss it all out. Dispose of the 2.7 at this address ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Just kidding, of course. I've seen a few of the older Type 2s (21 or 23 window type) with this swap, but not the later Westys. Others have already mentioned examples they are aware of. Makes for a cool project in my opinion. |
Cairo94507 |
Nov 3 2022, 02:30 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,650 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
@VaccaRabite - That engine would go much better in a deserving 914. You really need a 3.2 for the bus. I happen to know of one looking for a motor to make the jump to 6 power.
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porschetub |
Nov 3 2022, 02:32 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,695 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
So, Lets say you had a 2.7L 6 with complete and intact CIS, good compression, taken out of a running car that wanted to go electric. And lets say you had a Bay Window Westy. And, for the sake of argument - what do you think it would take to put them together. I've got the 915 and the engine and a bus that's about 70% through its restoration. Current plan is to get the bus running on its existing 1.7 first. Then add the engine to the bus transmission and drive it like that. And eventually add the 915 into the mix which may or may not require a bunch of changes. I know that this is a thing that has been done. Anyone done it? For the first stage - I'd need an oil tank (maybe - may have one), and would need tins. A different flywheel and maybe a different clutch - may be able to take these off the bus. I'll need exhaust. Heat isn't a concern - I'm using a diesel heater for heat so I am not worried about heat exchangers. I suppose another option might be to put it into a dune buggy... but no. The bus will like it a good bit more. Zach The engine for my "6" conversion came out of a 74 bus,used same original gearbox with a custom made adaptor flywheel running 200mm beetle HD clutch which was nicely made...still have the flywheel. I had no history on the motor when I purchased it but it turned out to be in great condition,the van was too rusty to pass 6 month road worthy and the body was scrapped. I did find out it went pretty well but the gearing wasn't great and due to this and the fact that these vans are rather heavy it was very thirsty ,this wasn't helped by messed up carbs. Isn't the 915 box pretty long compared to the stock IRS box and the 2.7 is longer than the T4 (i think) ,wonder if you need to get the motor and box as far forward as possible without driveshaft angle issues ? . Cool project if it pans out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . |
Bullethead |
Nov 3 2022, 02:34 PM
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Oil Cooled heart Group: Members Posts: 889 Joined: 24-June 10 From: South Florida Member No.: 11,875 Region Association: South East States |
By all means, do it! Here's a single cab built by 901 Shop awhile back looking a bit scruffy, but it's really spiffy now. Note the fifth wheel hitch.
And surely everyone has seen the Race Taxi built in Switzerland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=powVngJ-Ljc |
kerensky |
Nov 3 2022, 02:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 531 Joined: 1-February 06 From: Norman, OK Member No.: 5,508 Region Association: Southwest Region |
@VaccaRabite - That engine would go much better in a deserving 914. You really need a 3.2 for the bus. I happen to know of one looking for a motor to make the jump to 6 power. I dunno that I'd want to drive a bus with much more than 100 horses. Those things don't exactly handle or stop like our 'teeners. Although I do recall seeing an old 21 window in Hot VWs magazine once where the owner had not only swapped in a Porsche 6 but had basically rebuilt the entire suspension and braking systems with 911 components (or comparable where the 911 stuff just didn't make sense.) *That* looked like a fun ride... |
porschetub |
Nov 3 2022, 03:09 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,695 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
@VaccaRabite - That engine would go much better in a deserving 914. You really need a 3.2 for the bus. I happen to know of one looking for a motor to make the jump to 6 power. I dunno that I'd want to drive a bus with much more than 100 horses. Those things don't exactly handle or stop like our 'teeners. Although I do recall seeing an old 21 window in Hot VWs magazine once where the owner had not only swapped in a Porsche 6 but had basically rebuilt the entire suspension and braking systems with 911 components (or comparable where the 911 stuff just didn't make sense.) *That* looked like a fun ride... The bay window busses handle pretty well for what they are with decent shocks and lowered a little they aren't too bad ,I had widened steel wheels on my last one with wider tyres and that made a real differance. Issue then would be brakes with such an increase in power over the T4 motor,seem to remember 944 brakes are used in this application. |
ClayPerrine |
Nov 3 2022, 03:35 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,367 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Use a complete 944 turbo rear suspension. It will bolt on, and you get turbo brakes.
Fronts would have to be custom using 944 turbo rotors. Clay |
GregAmy |
Nov 3 2022, 04:07 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,262 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
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JamesM |
Nov 3 2022, 05:11 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,875 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Kearns, UT Member No.: 5,834 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
Ah! So you are the one that bought that motor. Probably did me a favor, if it sat around much longer it might have wound up in my 914.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) So, Lets say you had a 2.7L 6 with complete and intact CIS, good compression, taken out of a running car that wanted to go electric. And lets say you had a Bay Window Westy. And, for the sake of argument - what do you think it would take to put them together. I've got the 915 and the engine and a bus that's about 70% through its restoration. Current plan is to get the bus running on its existing 1.7 first. Then add the engine to the bus transmission and drive it like that. And eventually add the 915 into the mix which may or may not require a bunch of changes. I know that this is a thing that has been done. Anyone done it? For the first stage - I'd need an oil tank (maybe - may have one), and would need tins. A different flywheel and maybe a different clutch - may be able to take these off the bus. I'll need exhaust. Heat isn't a concern - I'm using a diesel heater for heat so I am not worried about heat exchangers. I suppose another option might be to put it into a dune buggy... but no. The bus will like it a good bit more. Zach |
mepstein |
Nov 3 2022, 05:20 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,142 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Over the years, I’ve seen threads in the samba and pelican on similar conversions. Marty at MSDS used to sell a kit to do the conversion. I would reach out to him with questions. He always seems helpful to the 914 crowd.
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Steve |
Nov 3 2022, 05:46 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,548 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
There was a nice bus with a 3.2 at a bug show for $20k. Didn’t have the money back then. He had a skull and crossbones on the speedometer that said do not take over 80 mph. He said the aerodynamics are dangerous above 80 and he almost crashed.
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r_towle |
Nov 3 2022, 07:37 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,501 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
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r_towle |
Nov 3 2022, 07:37 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,501 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
I really wish Zach lived much closer to me.
We would build some weird stuff |
jhynesrockmtn |
Nov 3 2022, 07:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 415 Joined: 13-June 16 From: spokane wa Member No.: 20,100 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I seem to recall John Walker had a bus he stuffed a 911 motor in but my fuzzy brain may have made that up. I think it is a cool idea!
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sixnotfour |
Nov 4 2022, 02:46 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,392 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
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JmuRiz |
Nov 4 2022, 07:35 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,414 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have no advice, other than it will be super cool when finished.
You'll need an oil tank and cooler, but if you make your own lines it shouldn't be terrible. If you want another option, check with NoRustScott about his Subi-van....it's silly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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