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> 1975 New Owner Intro. First 914.
MSGGrunt
post Jan 25 2023, 08:37 AM
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Just closed a deal on a 1975 1.8 914 and now waiting on delivery. My search criteria was to not buy a "project" and I wanted a 914 still using the original fuel injection, no rust, and in my budget of around $20k, a tall order I know. I quickly found that finding one of these cars that had not been converted to Webers or Solex carbs was not easy. I would rather sort out any issues with the factory fuel injection than fiddling with carbs.

The car I find was enthusiast owned and appeared to be well cared for. I wouldn't be surprised if he was even a 914-world member. Still has FI, repainted, thought admittedly not a a concours re-paint, from out West so no rust. Interior is clean, suspension has been lowered slightly with Koni components, and overall, the car is in great condition and within my budget.

This is my first 914 but have owned a 1985 944 and 2017 Cayman S in the past. Other cars in my collection are older Jaguars, Mercedes, a Triumph TR6, and a Landrover Discovery 2, so brands that will test your patience.

Plans for the car are to enjoy it on sunny weather and maintain it as required. Depending on how the paint looks in person a total strip and repaint may be in the future. I do like the look and functionality of the appearance group center console, so that may be a future addition.



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post Feb 2 2023, 07:08 PM
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On the red car the driver's side number is 919 as is the passenger's side. What does this tell me?

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On the red car the driver's side number is 919 as is the passenger's side. What does this tell me?

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thanks for that number @MSGGrunt .

that number is a number we don't have yet for a 75 914 1.8.

we had 918 and 920.

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i'll explain what they are and how they work.

for 74 1.8s there were 4 numbers on USA cars.
604 = EC-B (49 states engine) without centre console.
(in other words it had a standard sump lid without oil temp sensor and wiring up to top of tins).
605 = EC-B with console. (had oil temp sensor sump lid and wiring).
606 = EC-A (california) without centre console.
607 = EC-A (cal) with console.

we also have a number for the 74 euro 1.8. 608 = ROW 1.8 without console.
609 is presumed to exist but not sighted in an example.

for 75.
this is what we have.
918 = EC-a (49 state) without centre console (standard sump lid).
920 = EC-a (49 state) with centre console. (oil temp sump lid).
these were from examples where we could identify the car/engine from emission sticker
and from whether it had a console or not.

if 75s follow a similar pattern as 74s there would be six numbers.
( say similar because another trap we discovered with 74 research is that the logic does not necessarily directly duplicate the next model year, its similar but not identical often).
i speculated the missing 4 numbers went something like this.
919 = EC-b (california) without centre console (standard lid).
921 = EC-b (california) with centre console.

and there would be two other numbers covering rest of world.

these could be 922 and 923.
it would make sense as the 2.0 L cars for 75 and 76 have 924 (49 states) and 925 (California). we don't know what a rest of world 75 had on it.

anyway, you have thrown up 919. thats a first. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
thanks for taking the trouble. @JeffBowlsby will be pleased to see this information.
if my theory is right, that 919 belongs to a 75 1.8 (calfornia) that originally came in a car that was not factory fitted with a centre console. centre console had a temp gauge.
but i could be wrong. its a theory until we get all the data.
with the 74s we connected specific numbers, with engines known to be original cars, to original factory build data (sales orders).

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what does the number mean?
lots of speculation from time to time over the years.

my own view is the numbers identify the precise spec of the engine so that the correct engine was fitted on the assembly line to the car according to the market it was ordered from.

the only differences in 74 USA engines was a very subtle difference in emission set up and the sump lid set up. the euro engines were very different - carbs not fuel injection and higher compression pistons.

the same thing happens in 75, although the emission set up difference was a little more pronounced - the cal cars had EGR.

the engines were built remotely at another VW plant, fully complete and stamped with their identifying number before being sent on to different VW plants where the different VW model cars were assembled.

all the different VW engines of that era have these three numeral code stamps on them.

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the additional I.O. stamp means "in order" or in german "in ordnung".

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MSGGrunt   1975 New Owner Intro. First 914.   Jan 25 2023, 08:37 AM
shredtherad   Very cool car and welcome! I am a new 914 own...   Jan 25 2023, 08:42 AM
campbellcj   :wttc: Congrats and welcome! Looks like you ...   Jan 25 2023, 08:48 AM
TheCabinetmaker   Welcome to the world! Nice looking car. I sugg...   Jan 25 2023, 08:53 AM
rgolia   Now you have to come to the NE Gathering. June in...   Jan 25 2023, 09:00 AM
StarBear   Now you have to come to the NE Gathering. June i...   Jan 25 2023, 10:41 AM
BeatNavy   Now you have to come to the NE Gathering. June ...   Jan 25 2023, 11:15 AM
OrangeBones   [quote name='StarBear' post='3053455' date='Jan 2...   Feb 10 2023, 02:40 PM
jhynesrockmtn   Looks great! Welcome to the madness!   Jan 25 2023, 09:06 AM
rfinegan   Welcome to the World ...Nice looking car. I love m...   Jan 25 2023, 10:26 AM
MSGGrunt   And attending Porsche Day this summer at the Larz ...   Jan 25 2023, 10:26 AM
sb914   :wttc: that car looks familiar! Definitely a ...   Jan 25 2023, 10:36 AM
Root_Werks   :wttc: Nice score on a 914! You did good to...   Jan 25 2023, 11:06 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   Looks like a good car with a lot of potential, may...   Jan 25 2023, 11:18 AM
MSGGrunt   Just waiting to hear from the shipping broker that...   Jan 25 2023, 11:24 AM
SirAndy   .. no rust ... from out West so no rust ... Ther...   Jan 25 2023, 11:32 AM
Van B   .. no rust ... from out West so no rust ... The...   Feb 1 2023, 07:20 PM
930cabman   :wttc: Soon the fun will begin, these are fun ca...   Jan 25 2023, 11:37 AM
rjames   Nice car, and welcome to the fray. The blacked out...   Jan 25 2023, 12:09 PM
Puebloswatcop   Your illness has just begun....congratulations. a...   Jan 25 2023, 12:10 PM
MSGGrunt   Just like no such thing as a rust free 1980's ...   Jan 25 2023, 12:21 PM
krazykonrad   :wttc:   Jan 25 2023, 12:22 PM
TRS63   Welcome, looks like you got yourself a good 914...   Jan 25 2023, 12:25 PM
MSGGrunt   I have always liked the lines of the 914 and the f...   Jan 25 2023, 12:31 PM
MSGGrunt   The car is now in Massachusetts. She needs a good ...   Feb 1 2023, 07:06 PM
Mikey914   Thanks for the Props, we have another round of the...   Feb 1 2023, 07:19 PM
MSGGrunt   Nice to discover all the body numbers match. Now I...   Feb 1 2023, 07:26 PM
Mikey914   Excellent plan, Don’t strip it until you have ha...   Feb 1 2023, 08:12 PM
Van B   Engine number is underneath the manifold plenum on...   Feb 1 2023, 08:19 PM
emerygt350   Looks great. There are some little things going o...   Feb 1 2023, 08:20 PM
emerygt350   Oh, and never ever leave a loose rag in the engine...   Feb 1 2023, 08:22 PM
wonkipop   Oh, and never ever leave a loose rag in the engin...   Feb 2 2023, 02:31 AM
Costa05   Nice purchase. Noticed you are running Yokohama Ad...   Feb 1 2023, 08:29 PM
MSGGrunt   Tires are 195/50R15   Feb 1 2023, 08:37 PM
bkrantz   Nice looking car--congrats. A few things to consi...   Feb 1 2023, 08:48 PM
MSGGrunt   I did find the engine number. It was easy to loca...   Feb 1 2023, 08:49 PM
infraredcalvin   Nice car, looks like you got a pretty good one...   Feb 1 2023, 10:47 PM
wonkipop   @MSGGrunt welcome to the wonderful world of L je...   Feb 2 2023, 02:28 AM
Geezer914   Nice find, enjoy the car! Welcome to 914 Worl...   Feb 2 2023, 06:07 AM
BillJ   I used to.own a silver 75 and have to say even tho...   Feb 2 2023, 06:35 AM
930cabman   I used to.own a silver 75 and have to say even th...   Feb 2 2023, 05:17 PM
bludden   What part of Western MA? I'm originally from C...   Feb 2 2023, 05:37 PM
Cairo94507   :wttc: Congratulations on your purchase; looks lik...   Feb 2 2023, 06:05 PM
MSGGrunt   I am in Athol. No making fun... I worked on Westo...   Feb 2 2023, 06:45 PM
MSGGrunt   On the red car the driver's side number is 919...   Feb 2 2023, 07:08 PM
wonkipop   On the red car the driver's side number is 91...   Feb 2 2023, 09:15 PM
MSGGrunt   The '75 donor motor is serial number EC040741 ...   Feb 2 2023, 07:48 PM
wonkipop   PS @MSGGrunt . other data you can get off the en...   Feb 2 2023, 09:29 PM
wonkipop   @MSGGrunt went back and looked at your photos an...   Feb 2 2023, 10:39 PM
MSGGrunt   Thanks for all of the info and glad I could help f...   Feb 3 2023, 07:40 AM
wonkipop   @MSGGrunt sometimes owners retain paperwork with...   Feb 3 2023, 02:26 PM
MSGGrunt   Sticker on spare motor is the same minus the Calif...   Feb 3 2023, 05:28 PM
wonkipop   Sticker on spare motor is the same minus the Cali...   Feb 3 2023, 07:28 PM
MSGGrunt   And these are the EGR parts that were included, bu...   Feb 3 2023, 05:30 PM
wonkipop   And these are the EGR parts that were included, b...   Feb 3 2023, 07:20 PM
MSGGrunt   All good info. I kind of do like the center consol...   Feb 3 2023, 08:26 PM
MSGGrunt   Further evidence. Dash has EGR and CAT warning lig...   Feb 4 2023, 08:26 AM
MSGGrunt   Pictures of the exhaust. The muffler does not have...   Feb 4 2023, 08:30 AM
rhodyguy   The plastic charcoal canisters are easy to refresh...   Feb 4 2023, 01:41 PM
wonkipop   @MSGGrunt you still have stock 1975 heat exchang...   Feb 4 2023, 04:02 PM
Van B   Yeah get the big carbon pellets from the pet store...   Feb 4 2023, 06:16 PM
Van B   Duplicate post.   Feb 4 2023, 06:17 PM
MSGGrunt   Charcoal canister all apart and cleaned. Ordered C...   Feb 8 2023, 05:51 PM
Craigers17   Charcoal canister all apart and cleaned. Ordered ...   Feb 8 2023, 06:03 PM
wonkipop   if you can't get them from 914 rubber then - ...   Feb 8 2023, 07:11 PM
wonkipop   this mob in canada look like they have a fair bit ...   Feb 8 2023, 07:32 PM
MSGGrunt   This looks pretty complete. http://www.autoatlan...   Feb 9 2023, 02:23 PM


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