External oil cooler kit? Options

[neilbardsley]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165865762191?mkc...&media=COPY

Is this kit compatible with the type 4 filter? Seems like pretty easy add on?

I would prefer a coupling that didn't use the external filter until 180f but can't find a complete kit.

[technicalninja]

Pricey but BAD ASS!

https://tangerineracing.com/shop/ols/produc...v/OIL-CLR-KIT-2

That might not work for you as you're in Europe...

I DO NOT use Chinese parts in the repair of appliance cars.

I detest "come backs"...

I sure as hell won't use them in my "special" cars.

What happens when your Chinese oil cooler assembly takes out your $$$ engine?

I'd make any level of bet you'd like that they WILL NOT pay you for your engine.

[GregAmy]

Pricey but BAD ASS!

https://tangerineracing.com/shop/ols/produc...oil-cooler-kits

Yup, that's what's in my street car. Race car has a front cooler but I don't really recommend that for the street for a 4-banger, it's a lot of work and is overkill.

Do it right, do it once. - GA

[neilbardsley]

I would really appreciate someone answering the question about if this adapter fits please. My question is more about the fit. I'm not asking for recommendations for kits. It's not economically viable to buy products from American.

[GregAmy]

I would really appreciate someone answering the question about if this adapter fits please.

Highly doubtful that anyone here can reasonably remotely answer that, with any confidence that it won't frag your engine.

Ask the manufacturer. They're the ones that will be supporting you on this product.

[technicalninja]

Do it right, do it once. - GA

There's your answer!

If it fits it will leak, I've NEVER had a Chinese AN fitting work properly.

There's probably good stuff available across the pond. Hopefully someone in Europe can provide sources.

Mocal stuff can be had in Europe.

https://trackday.eu/en/mocal-oil-cooler-ada...-thermostat-3-4

Find something like that and add your own cooler and lines.

It has a T-stat in it!

I "see" Mocal as good stuff...

[neilbardsley]

I would really appreciate someone answering the question about if this adapter fits please.

Highly doubtful that anyone here can reasonably remotely answer that, with any confidence that it won't frag your engine.

Ask the manufacturer. They're the ones that will be supporting you on this product.

That isn't the question I'm asking. Before everyone gets too excited. I'm asking what the specifics are for the size of the sandwich adaptor. I now understand from the other item posted that AN10 is the hose thread specific but how do I know which adaptor fits on the type 4 engine? With this information I can then make a decision on quality

[technicalninja]

Ah! you're looking for application data.

It mounts underneath the oil filter and the filter size diameter, thread size and diameter is often the deciding factor. In the 914 clearance for the lines might be critical.

AN is the normal "aftermarket" line fitting. Very few OEM used it and AN will not work well with OEM flare (37vs45 degrees If I remember correctly). I would expect AN on decent stuff and if the lines and cooler is not stock anyways flare angle is not a concern. It will ALL be AN.

I'd contact the seller and ask "will this fit on a T4 in a 914 application".

I don't know the exact data for the 914 but I'm going to bet that mount was used in a significant number of vehicles and will be readily available.

Now, when you actually get serious about creating a good system check out the Tangerine adaptor. It's on the factory oil cooler mount. There are multiple really good reasons for this.
This is what a dedicated imaginative expert came up with after a lifetime of screwing with these puppies...

There's your "quality" target. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ninja.gif)

[Superhawk996]

3/4 x 16tpi threads are what is on the 914 oil filter console.

The adapter you’ve linked to will “fit”

I’ll leave it to you to judge the applicability for your use.

Here’s a link to similar sandwich adapters for your consideration.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...26767&st=20

[ChrisFoley]

I hate sandwich adapters on a T4 engine.

Edit: "hate" is too strong a word. I intensely dislike sandwich adapters on a T4 engine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Shivers]

BAS makes an adapter for the internal cooler. 100 lbs. so 127.12 in US dollars. I may go that route and add a thermostat.

[930cabman]

If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vote for sure. I am considering one of these for my /4, she runs around 210 - 220 on a hot day.

[neilbardsley]

3/4 x 16tpi threads are what is on the 914 oil filter console.

The adapter you’ve linked to will “fit”

I’ll leave it to you to judge the applicability for your use.

Here’s a link to similar sandwich adapters for your consideration.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...26767&st=20

Thank you. That is the information I was looking for

[VaccaRabite]

If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vote for sure. I am considering one of these for my /4, she runs around 210 - 220 on a hot day.

That’s perfect. Why would you change anything?! You don’t need additional oil cooling.

Zach

[930cabman]

If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vote for sure. I am considering one of these for my /4, she runs around 210 - 220 on a hot day.

That’s perfect. Why would you change anything?! You don’t need additional oil cooling.

Zach

When I run at 85 or so MPH, she gets a bit over 230.

[GregAmy]

I nice reference that I keep a link for. Sometimes we worry too much...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...mp;#entry377466

(lol'ing @85...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)...need to go faster, more airflow...)

[Superhawk996]

If Chris puts his name on it, it's got my vote for sure. I am considering one of these for my /4, she runs around 210 - 220 on a hot day.

That’s perfect. Why would you change anything?! You don’t need additional oil cooling.

Zach

When I run at 85 or so MPH, she gets a bit over 230.

The horror (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Lots of modern sports cars will push 250-270 under load and that’s with an oil to water cooler. Air cooled motorcycles pushed hard will run 300.

Trying to make air cooled engines run 180 under load is folly and isn’t even desirable.

Just my $0.02 based on decades of testing modern cars as a day job and messing with air cooled engines since I was a kid.

Zach nailed it.

[Dave_Darling]

I found that the straight-out fittings on the sandwich plate do not fit very well in the 914's location. I wound up needing a couple of 90-degree fittings to clear the other stuff that's in the area. I also removed at least some of the heater parts from the right-side heat exchanger to make room.

Here's a post that shows what I did-- http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=1705443

--DD

[neilbardsley]

So my idea in adding this was to bring my oil temp down when cruising at higher speeds. I use a good quality oil so I'm not worried about it breaking down but my engine builder told me that the 180 is the optimal performance temp. He also said that head temperature is more important.

Those that have an external oil cooler. How much extra oil did you add? Fill to the normal line. Run to warm then top up so it's back at the line?

[Olympic 914]

I found that the straight-out fittings on the sandwich plate do not fit very well in the 914's location. I wound up needing a couple of 90-degree fittings to clear the other stuff that's in the area. I also removed at least some of the heater parts from the right-side heat exchanger to make room.

Here's a post that shows what I did-- http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=1705443

--DD

Used a sandwich adapter and plumbed to a oil thermostat then back to the aux oil cooler.


running through the upper engine compartment keeps the valve covers clear for adjustments.