71 4 for sale in USA - seems highly original. Options

[Rusty]

i dunno.
but i'm thinking porsche tech certificates are a ,,,,,,,,,bit of a rip off? a bit of bullsh#t?

The record keeping for the 914s was a bit haphazard. When I bought the six from @Rusty , It came with 3 COAs. And they are all slightly different. One says it has a heated rear window. One doesn't have the engine number on it. And one doesn't match the chassis number in the rear trunk. So we chose the one with the heated rear window, as it has the correct chassis and engine number.

The current replacement for the COA is not available by mail. Now you have to take it to a dealer to get the engine and chassis numbers confirmed. Porsche says this is to prevent fraud, i.e. re-stamped engine numbers, etc.

So take the COA contents with a grain of salt.

The first COA had what I thought was an error... don't remember what it was some 25 years ago. They reissued it without any additional cost. In one of my many moves, I couldn't find my files and requested another. I turned over all paperwork and parts I had for that car.

[JeffBowlsby]

"engine number and trans number merely consistent with original equipment and options.
?????"

There are more pages to the CTC with more information than that one image.

The CTC indicates the specific engine type number and serial number for the engine and transaxle original to the specific car. Whats the issue?

[mepstein]

I didnt think the Bumpers and trim ever came in the body color?

Kevin

Bumpers did but I don’t believe the trim did.
I had a 71 with a brown (chestnut) interior. I didn’t care for it at first but grew to really like it. I don’t think the brown cord seat panels are original (mine were smooth-ish patterned vinyl) but I could care less about originality.

[wonkipop]

"engine number and trans number merely consistent with original equipment and options.
?????"

There are more pages to the CTC with more information than that one image.

The CTC indicates the specific engine type number and serial number for the engine and transaxle original to the specific car. Whats the issue?

thats what i am asking mr. b.

do they give the actual engine number and trans number for the car as built.
or....is it as i quote from their own words (not mine) it is simply consistent with the car.
ie a W or EA or EB within the right range. and is all they are doing is reading the engine number off your car and seeing if its consistent with its spec and trim?
for instance - yes it has a two litre engine when it should have within right range for model year.

they don't say it is the actual engine and trans number from the records.

i am looking at that word "consistent".

reason i ask is these certificates are $950.00 in aus. which is a lot of dough.
i don't know what they cost in the usa. maybe its cheaper.
but for $950 i'd be looking for something a little more actual than simply consistent.
i already know my car has consistent engine and trans numbers without porsches help.
it would be kind of interesting to have it confirmed by them as actual. and for a bit less than nearly a thousand aud. jeez thats a set of 4 real good conti tyres on my audi, fitted, balanced and with a wheel allignment. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[wonkipop]

I didnt think the Bumpers and trim ever came in the body color?

Kevin

Bumpers did but I don’t believe the trim did.
I had a 71 with a brown (chestnut) interior. I didn’t care for it at first but grew to really like it. I don’t think the brown cord seat panels are original (mine were smooth-ish patterned vinyl) but I could care less about originality.

vw museum car. 00001

mimimalist trim. body colored.



one of the cars from the frankfurt launch. very early production car.
photos black and white. but you can see the base spec was body colored trim.



all the brochures for 70 and 71 show the targa bar trimmed in body color if they didn't have the vinyl.

not sure when they stopped doing this and went to black bumpers and black trim.
definitely for 73 cars in base trim (both 1.7 and 2.0).
they might have had the black bumper and black trim scheme in 72.
but 70 and 71 seemed to be body color.

but they might have been doing a bit of mixing and matching? who knows.

[wonkipop]

"engine number and trans number merely consistent with original equipment and options.
?????"

There are more pages to the CTC with more information than that one image.

The CTC indicates the specific engine type number and serial number for the engine and transaxle original to the specific car. Whats the issue?

if that is what they are doing thats fine.
giving you the actual engine number the car is built with.

me.....ive been contemplating seeing if i can get a VW classic certificate for mine.
i think i will give it a try.
after all - its built at karmann same as a karmann ghia and you can get them for those.
all the vin number and production plates are straight vw fprmat not porsche.
and the cars were VW pprsches in europe and germany and sold by VW dealers (for the 4 not the six).

the cost is 129 euro for the full three document package.
thats a lot less than 1000 AUD.

VW absolutely confirm the engine number of the car as built.
its done with a separate letter.
if you provide them with your engine number and chassis number on the application they handle it in the following way.
the engine number is usually not provided on the classic certificate.
just the engine spec.
a separate letter either confirms or negates the engine number and vin number combo ypu have provided as how it was built.
i think this is to avoid folks faking up numbers matching.
ie we don't tell you what it was built with so you can do some post certificate adjustment on the car, rather you tell us what you have and we then confirm on negate the combo you have. very interesting approach and responsible. not that all VWs are that special but some models are and the info changes the value of the car.

remembering that numbers matching in most parts of the world means exactly that.
its got the exact engine it left the factory with. not just the right type of engine.

not entirely sure what the definition of numbers matching in the USA means.
but down here it does not mean anything other than the engine it had when it was built.

if i succeed with VW classic in getting a certificate i will let you know.

[mepstein]

I’ve never seen one in the wild with body color sail trim. Thanks for posting.