Missing dip stick, 914 1.7 missing tube and stick? Options

[930cabman]

Now looking at the Webers... 34TCT... I dont know history of these cars but like earlier post said. I doubt this was stock. I also am starting to think that the bore by the oil filler is the dip stick tube entry point

I must be one of the crazy ones, could the hole for a tube be drilled in place?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) not for the faint of heart

[Jack Standz]

Only the six cylinder 914s came with carbs in the USA.

Still haven't figured out what this European Motor came in. Could still be from a 411, even though unlikely.

Did you see a dipstick here? (Check out photo)

[porschetub]

Kinda gunshy lately with guessing about 914 stuff, have missed a few.

But, I've been thinking it might be a 411/412 motor because of the carbs on it. The dipstick should be in the same place on a 411 as a 914, so that's odd too that it's missing (although the tin has a provision for the dipstick tube). Could be someone removed it, but why?

The case number should help figure out what this motor came from the factory in.

Not sure about that,as my last build was a 1700 411 carb case ,dipstick in the filler tube as I mentioned in my reply ,as far as I know none of these cases had an in case dipstick tube as they still used the bus type filler pipe as per the 411 fitment .
I have a shortblock 1800 l-jet engine from a 1975 bus ( AP code ) and it has no in case dipstick tube .
Those carbs are Weber ICT's ,common replacement for the factory solex ones on a bus .
I have had several 411 and bus cases never seen anything differant ,cheers .

[wonkipop]

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/engine_letters.php

Looks like: 1974 1.8 liter European only dual carb

And that sticker says it was a remanufactured motor from Canada, so an oddball for a US 914

AN is the high compression 74/75 914/412 1.8 dual carb engine for europe.
ran on high octane.

AT is i believe the lower compression version of same engine. ran on regular gas.
was not used on the euro market 74/75 914. only for 412.

i could be wrong about this but i believe the carbs were actually from the industrial engine version of the type 4. solex carbs in any case.

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there is something curious about the engine.
see image @PapaNorse has posted with remanufacture plate/sticker.
am i seeing a V 0 number engraved on the block just near that reman sticker?
in the position where you normally find the engine number on a 1.7 or 1.8.
if that is V 0... then its a 1968 magnesium block from the first year of 411s.
very unusual if it is because its not an engine that was sold in the USA/canada.
can't remember when the 411 was released in the USA - think it was 71, but it was certainly delayed and the early years were not imported.
they switched from the mag blocks after a year or so as they were not strong enough.
but they were light.
part of the reason type 4 engines were pretty unburstable by VW aircooled standards was the change to aluminium alloy.

[wonkipop]

Kinda gunshy lately with guessing about 914 stuff, have missed a few.

But, I've been thinking it might be a 411/412 motor because of the carbs on it. The dipstick should be in the same place on a 411 as a 914, so that's odd too that it's missing (although the tin has a provision for the dipstick tube). Could be someone removed it, but why?

The case number should help figure out what this motor came from the factory in.

Not sure about that,as my last build was a 1700 411 carb case ,dipstick in the filler tube as I mentioned in my reply ,as far as I know none of these cases had an in case dipstick tube as they still used the bus type filler pipe as per the 411 fitment .
I have a shortblock 1800 l-jet engine from a 1975 bus ( AP code ) and it has no in case dipstick tube .
Those carbs are Weber ICT's ,common replacement for the factory solex ones on a bus .
I have had several 411 and bus cases never seen anything differant ,cheers .

yeah, new zealand got the 411 i believe.
did not come to australia. apart from a half dozen assessment cars.
i saw the 411 variant assessment car years ago. back in the 80s.
i remember it had a dipstick that ran up through to the tailgate reveal.
pretty much the same as a type 3.
it was a V 0etc engine too. still had its solex carbs.
but that was back then. don't know if that car even survived.

the sedans had the dipstick in same spot as 914s. the engine was not an underfloor job in the sedan and fastback.

[wonkipop]

some stuff to help.

74 412 sedan/fastback L jet engine. dipstick same as 914. (apron tin etc different of course.) earlier d jet sedans were same. and carb versions.




411/412 variant engine. dipstick and oil filler remote through tailgate.
reason - underfloor engine in the variant. same goes for the d jets and twin carb versions.





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but to throw a wobble into my curiosity above about engine number maybe being under that reman plate - on a 411/412 the engine number is up near the crankcase ventilation valve - between it and the fan casting.

so......i dunno.
sure curious about that V engine number if that is what i could see in OP's posted image before.

[wonkipop]

I found the Engine ID! AT006873 Looks like a 1.7.

pretty sure an AT is a 1.8 low compression twin carb for europe.
went in the 412 for 74 only. can try and check that up.

where did you find this number on the case?
up near the crankcase ventilation valve?

and what is that number and letter i can see engraved near the remanufacture sticker at the back end of the case in the image you posted?



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what i am thinking is --- if its got two numbers on it and that AT number you reckon you found is up near the crankcase valve. then......
its been remanufactured from an AT european case. would have been a 1.8.
and its been remanufactured by VW of Canada and issued with its new engine number,
which is legit. i think that number says VC (reman symbol) 75821.
the stickers and engraving are both sides of the two block halves at the back, so date from remanufacturing time.
but for some reason the old engine number has been left on the block half up near the front near crank case vent valve. they were supposed to be ground off. but it wasn't.

its possible VW of Canada were sourcing blocks from europe for use in remanufacture - reconditioning.

so maybe it started as an AT block (and an AT block from a variant) and its been rebuilt as a north america spec short motor (as we used to call them in australia). engine complete to the heads but minus tin, EFI, accessories etc.

and its ended up with tin etc for a 914 when its been mated up with accessories etc for completion. someone got it as a short motor. but it was meant to be for a 411/412 variant. or possibly a bus. in which case it has a different camshaft.