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| Dr. Roger |
 Sep 12 2005, 12:31 AM
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A bat out of hell.  Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California  |
hmmmmmm. interesting.
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 12 2005, 12:33 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
pic courtest of Pelican Parts.
Does this make sense? Kinda? (IMG:http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/914_ignition_switch/wiper_sw_pic.jpg) |
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 12 2005, 12:37 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
I'm so screwed.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 12 2005, 12:55 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
wires again
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| Sparky |
Sep 12 2005, 08:39 AM
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Mahna Mahna! Group: Members Posts: 1,134 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Spencer, MA Member No.: 847 |
Umm yuck!! Ok so what caused the short? Good luck getting it fixed!
My best, Mike D. |
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| seanery |
Sep 12 2005, 08:43 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) YIKES!!!
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| john rogers |
Sep 12 2005, 08:48 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 4-March 03 From: Chula Vista CA Member No.: 391 |
If you are using the windshield washer that could let water in that area and cause a short? It could be dirt or corrosion also. At least that whole assembly is replaceable but I imagine expensive? You can also put switches on the dash for the high beam and turn signals as that is what I did with the race car and left the column switches off.
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| Sparky |
Sep 12 2005, 08:52 AM
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Mahna Mahna! Group: Members Posts: 1,134 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Spencer, MA Member No.: 847 |
Find someone here on the list or locally and see if the have a spare harness, I say cut back 6" from where the burnt/fused wires are and solder on a replacement pigtail. Worth a try....
Mike D. |
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 12 2005, 08:58 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
Yes, I think i'll do this ... Everything but the turn indicators. Interestingly enough, there was water damage and corrosion on several wires. Watch out for this on your cars! I have not fiddled with any of these wires going up front so it "just happened". SCARY.... I still don't know exactly how to figure out what goes where. The diagram above doesn't tell me much. =-( |
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| john rogers |
Sep 12 2005, 11:04 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 4-March 03 From: Chula Vista CA Member No.: 391 |
I thought that diagram looked familiar, it is from the article I did for replacing the switches completely. Here's some help to decipher things. The diagram is like you are looking down at the connectors from above. The easiest way to see the wires going to the connectors is to pull them back and down some. The turn signal connector is on the right side of the column which is the connector with the white/black and green/black wires in it. The wire colors are the same in the feed to the connectors and inside the switch assemblies (at least on mine they were) so you can see which wire color goes where. The easiest thing is to get another set of switches or you can just replace them as I did. NAPA has small connectors as does mouser.com if you wire in other switches. I made some digital pictures of the wires and connectors and labled each color as to what it feed, fuesed? etc. Good luck.
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| 914GT |
Sep 12 2005, 11:40 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,100 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Tucson Member No.: 2,923 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Roger, hate to see the bad luck you've run in to. Based on my experience I would be afraid to just patch the end of the harness at the steering column. It is highly likely that there is more damage further into the harness that you cannot see. When I pulled the old harness out of the V8 project car I found that several wires had melted together where they are bundled tightly near the fuse panel and out to the front trunk. Once those wires get hot in that tight bundle they will fuse together. I know it's a lot of work but to be completely sure you'd need to pull the whole harness out of the car and unwrap it for a full inspection. Or just scrap it for a good harness off a donor car. If you don't do this I think you're at risk of having another meltdown or even a worse fire. That's my opinion, but be careful whatever you decide to do - at minimum remove all the fuses and then bring each circuit up one at a time.
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| Toast |
Sep 12 2005, 11:47 AM
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Not bad for carrying sway bars. Group: Members Posts: 3,377 Joined: 20-January 04 From: Las Vegas Member No.: 1,580 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Cut and splice.......if ya can. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)
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| Joe Bob |
Sep 12 2005, 11:50 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Captain Krusty had a box of them at the GAF.....
805-925-1993 West Coast Garage Santa Maria CA ask fer John Larson |
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| lapuwali |
Sep 12 2005, 03:49 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743  |
Pulling the whole harness is a bear.
The only way I've found to do it without cutting stuff is to pull everything towards the fusebox. Disconnect everything up front, and pull it all down that (small!) hole in the scuttle just above the fusebox. Disconnect all of the taillights, then pull that bit forward towards the relay board. Disconnect the 14 pin plug from the relay board, and all of those grounds next to the relay board, then pull the whole mess through the firewall into the cabin. |
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 12 2005, 04:09 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
guy and james, i think you're absolutely right. i will go through most of the harness. everything i can get to without yanking the whle thing. Should be most of it.... and repair everything i can. i just picked up another ignition switch and am going to take my time inspecting the harness before installing it. thanks again for your knowledge and support. "group hug" time... where's mrs. k????? =-))))) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) rogergrubb |
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| Flat VW |
Sep 12 2005, 05:04 PM
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Illegal Soapbox Derby Racecar Group: Members Posts: 1,692 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Phoenix, AZ Member No.: 3,105 |
Holy Shnikies! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) I am sure pulling the wiring harness would provide a pretty absolute result, but the wiring harness itself is not inherently "bad". I would begin with a multi-meter and would hunt down the "hard ground faults" that surely must be there if for no other reason than to determine a "cause and origin" on just what caused the malady. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) John P.S. The wires are not good or bad, rather a-political, the wiring in that car can be re-used and repaired with a through metering,IMHo. |
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| Flat VW |
Sep 12 2005, 05:08 PM
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Illegal Soapbox Derby Racecar Group: Members Posts: 1,692 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Phoenix, AZ Member No.: 3,105 |
Not at twelve volts, water did not cause the wiring to melt. John |
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| Bleyseng |
Sep 12 2005, 05:19 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Its happened to my 914 and lately the Westy. Old switch and a wire lug inside comes loose and touches something else and frys the shit outta everything. New switch and its good as new. Check the wires back to the fuse box.
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| 914GT |
Sep 12 2005, 07:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,100 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Tucson Member No.: 2,923 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Roger
I have part of an old harness with the turn signal/wiper connectors. No ignition switch connector though. It's yours if you want it. |
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| GWN7 |
Sep 12 2005, 08:32 PM
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King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
When your going thru the wiring, check all the wires. When Smokey went up it burnt wires at the ignition switch and back to the engine. Also there were burnt wires as far as the up to the fans in the front end (just the ends of the wires were burnt at the fans). Something came loose and started it all. Fed back thru the system.
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