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Britain Smith
post Sep 23 2005, 10:55 AM
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I have this thought of converting my turbo type-4 motor to dry sump due to ground clearence with the deep sump and the return line for the turbo, etc. Can someone give me a run down of everything I need to know to convert a type-4 motor to dry sump? What parts are required, how much do they cost, where does all the plumbing go, etc. I know that many feel that these motors don't benefit from a dry sump system, but that is beyond the point in this application.

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post Sep 23 2005, 03:15 PM
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Anybody? Anything?
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post Sep 23 2005, 03:18 PM
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here's a great source of proven parts.. at pretty well the best pricing..
Sumps and Pumps...

http://www.colemanracing.com/
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post Sep 23 2005, 03:20 PM
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The racers at the runoffs know the most about this setup.

Jake was working on a kit for this. I think it involves a 2 stage oil pump, oil tank, lines, etc.

Think racer chris has a pretty elaborate dry sump system with multiple scavenge pumps.

Regarding the deep sumps, almost every 912,356,914 I have seen has one hanging down. Looks scary but not as big a deal as you might think.
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post Sep 23 2005, 03:28 PM
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the new Z06 uses a dry sump oil system, might be the 1st street Chevy to do so (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

I cannot think of any negatives except the price (pumps start at about 300 for a single stage and go up a $100 per stage it seems) and how to drive it...for your application, the belt drive would be much easier than on a standard /4 motor due to the fan housing....

all /6's except for the new 996 and Boxsters use dry sumps and if I am correct, the twin-turbos and GT3s use a dry sump system as well...
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post Sep 23 2005, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Sep 23 2005, 04:28 PM)
I cannot think of any negatives except the price (pumps start at about 300 for a single stage and go up a $100 per stage it seems) and how to drive it...for your application, the belt drive would be much easier than on a standard /4 motor due to the fan housing....

its probably an extra 40 or 50 pounds.

the pumps I have seen on TIV's looked like extended units in the normal location.

think the drag racers have done it the most with TIV
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post Sep 23 2005, 03:39 PM
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John rogers used to have a dry sump type IV racer...

he would know (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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post Sep 23 2005, 03:40 PM
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check out these from autocraft...

http://www.autocraftengines.com/oil.htm

cost big $$$$


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post Sep 23 2005, 03:43 PM
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what are the various stages for?

2 stage - one scavenges and one pumps pressure into the case? right?
3 stage???
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post Sep 23 2005, 03:43 PM
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these seem to be a better deal if you can do a group purchase (min 2):

Mangnus Pumps
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post Sep 23 2005, 03:48 PM
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Here is my problem...and the car will be lowever a good 3-4 inches farther.

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post Sep 23 2005, 03:49 PM
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It sure does look cool though...

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post Sep 23 2005, 03:50 PM
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post Sep 23 2005, 03:51 PM
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bolt in engine cradle?

maybe raise it up? or fab some tubes on the cradle to run under the deeeeep sump?
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post Sep 23 2005, 04:00 PM
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A 912 is basically a 911, shoot, just go get a 911 oil tank ect... Easy.
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post Sep 23 2005, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (Root_Werks @ Sep 23 2005, 03:00 PM)
A 912 is basically a 911, shoot, just go get a 911 oil tank ect... Easy.

tank is the easiest part.

plumbing a front oil cooler???
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post Sep 23 2005, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Sep 23 2005, 05:43 PM)
3 stage???

one stage to scavenge the turbo oil...
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post Sep 23 2005, 04:13 PM
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Yea, I have thought about the 911 tank. I also already have a front mounted fender oil cooler with Carrera fan.

How do you set-up a dry sump system? Where do you put the lines?

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post Sep 23 2005, 05:45 PM
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What are the advantages of a dry sump? like say for a sbc?
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post Sep 23 2005, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE (Andyrew @ Sep 23 2005, 04:45 PM)
What are the advantages of a dry sump? like say for a sbc?

nascars are dry sumped.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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