The 3.2 Conversion Thread, got to git 'er done Options

[Steve]

QUOTE (kdfoust @ Oct 1 2005, 08:47 AM)

I was considering just adding seperate VDOs for the oil pressure and temp and placing them in the ash tray opening.  The idea of using the combo gauge with a seperate fuel gauge sounds pretty appealing and a little cleaner. I must be completely underestimating the fuel system for the 3.2.  I figured that there'd be an in and an out.  The Bently manual should be here on Monday so hopefully I can see what the deal is.  Based on what you guys are saying I'll see if I can get all the fuel lines along with the pump and filter from the car. Do you have to relocate the engine cover latch to fit the 3.2? Regards, Kevin

You don't have to modify the engine lid.
Just move the air flow meter over 3"
The 3.2 fuel filter screws onto a fixed metal fuel line in the 911.
It was easier for me to just get a fitting from Pegasus and then slip rubber high pressure fuel line over it.
I like my combo gauge.
You can always get a combo gauge and then put a fuel gauge and voltmeter in the ashtray.
It was easy for me to just drill out the dash for the fuel gauge.
There are holes already there for extra switches.
I drilled out an extra hole and put in a voltmeter.

Wow that car is sweet.
I have never seen a 914 with a Boxster transmission.
I wonder what the cost diference is between that and a 916.
Its got to be cheaper, better shifting and less hassle.

[John]

QUOTE

You don't have to modify the engine lid. Just move the air flow meter over 3"

Hmmm.... The pics sure show it working out. I guess i'll look at doing that too. (Sure beats flipping the intake around 180)


I didn't put the DME under the dash because I kept the STOCK 911 DME wiring harness intact.

I used the 911 rear wiring harness, because it was easier to do that when I eliminated the relay board and the rest of the stock 914 harness. I stripped all the unused wiring out of the harness and assimilated the 911 harness into the remaining 914 harness.

Later I stripped all the front wiring out of the car (except for the fuel level wires and the fuel pump wires). Now the car only uses 3 fuses fuel pump, DME, and Brake Lights.

My street car will still be a street car (but with the big motor).

[Steve]

QUOTE (JOHNMAN @ Oct 1 2005, 06:49 PM)

QUOTE You don't have to modify the engine lid. Just move the air flow meter over 3" Hmmm.... The pics sure show it working out. I guess i'll look at doing that too. (Sure beats flipping the intake around 180) I didn't put the DME under the dash because I kept the STOCK 911 DME wiring harness intact. I used the 911 rear wiring harness, because it was easier to do that when I eliminated the relay board and the rest of the stock 914 harness. I stripped all the unused wiring out of the harness and assimilated the 911 harness into the remaining 914 harness. Later I stripped all the front wiring out of the car (except for the fuel level wires and the fuel pump wires). Now the car only uses 3 fuses fuel pump, DME, and Brake Lights. My street car will still be a street car (but with the big motor).

If you look at most of the pictures of 3.2 conversions you will notice that they extended the air flow meter with a pipe and an adapter and moved it over.
PMS and GPR sell a kit for this.
I brought the air flow meter to Home depot to figure out the size of the pipe to extend it and the adapter required to do it.
I also used the stock DME and did not cut or modify the DME harness/cable.
There is a round indentation in the firewall behind the passenger seat.
I cut out the indentation and made the whole big enough for the rubber grommet of the harness.
I then routed the cable behind the seats and used one of the screws to hold the DME brain behind the drivers seat.
I'm 5'10" and I never put the seat all the way back anyway.
Some people cut the cable and put it behind the passenger seat but I didn't want to go through the hassle.

[ABC914]

QUOTE (redshift @ Oct 1 2005, 02:00 PM)

He paid someone! HAHAhahHAHAh heh...  :( M

Absolutely correct! I paid someone. I'm not young enough to do this work myself. As it was, it took 18 months at a professional Porsche shop to do it. Time well spent, but still a lot of time. Let's not go into the expenses. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) I could have bought a whole Boxster (used) surrounding the transmission for what it should have cost me.

Bottom line, they did a great job at a severe discount that made it all worthwhile. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

[kdfoust]

"It'll never fit."
-Robert

Ignoring Robert's input on the engine fit my plan is coming to fruition.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) Mwahahahahaha!

The engine arrived today. Well, I should say that I went and fetched it today from the freight terminal.

I've got a crew lined up for this Saturday to install the beast. We've got three engineers, an HR professional, a logistics expert, a musician, and an IT geek. This doesn't include the random collection of neighbors that'll wander by. None of us have done this before. This will be one hell of a good time.

All the PMS stuff for the first phase arrived yesterday. Thats the engine mount (that cool PMS swiveling mount), the clutch/flywheel conversion pieces (KEP), and the engine sheet metal. I gotta get the mount bolted to the firewall in the car and the sheet metal fit up before Saturday morning. Tomorrow the engine mount is going in AND I still need to POR-15 the hell hole while it's easy to get to. The Bentley Carrera manual showed up today as well so I can start ciphering on the fuel lines and electrical hookups.

Later,
Kevin

[swood]

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Make sure you photo document the install for us to get inspired. You got me thinking about the 3.6

[swood]

Do you also get to set up the a/c with that engine? That would be a bonus on top of the hp.

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[redshift]

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If it won't fit, I think my car is the next size up.

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Niceness.


M

[bd1308]

turbo, what the hell is that black thing???

Looks mean


Awesome!

b

[736conver]

Its an electric turbo (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[bd1308]

QUOTE (736conver @ Oct 5 2005, 09:11 PM)

Its an electric turbo   (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Only because I am gullible will I believe that.

Looks like a turbo.....

i dunno nuphin about dem 911s....

[736conver]

Its just the heater fan. Its the tubing that makes it look exotic.

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (michel richard @ Sep 27 2005, 05:22 PM)

If there's other differences, they are indeed subtle.

flat black paint on the front shock towers, no hole in the front firewall for the windshield washer hose to the spare tire ...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy

[kdfoust]

Naw, no AC. That would be trick wouldn't it! I did get the super cool Porsche die cast aluminum mount for the compressor. I will keep it just in case... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif)

Tonight I worked on installing the chassis side of the engine mount. The picture is sort of like an artists conception of what it will look like installed. I did pretty much empty the interior of the car (backpad and seats out) and drilled the mounting holes for the engine mount. It turns out that the firewall is a box section down low. There is about 1-1/2" air gap between the engine side and the interior of the firewall down low. I'll wait till the crew arrives on Saturday to actually mount everything since it'll be a three-handed-job.

[736conver]

Are you going to try and git 'er done in one weekend with all your help. That would be cool.

[kdfoust]

The engine side of the mount doesn't quite fit correctly. 3 out of 4 holes line up perfectly. I need to open up one hole +1/16" so I don't risk boogering the thread in the case. I'm ask Jim Patrick about this tomorrow to see if he's seen this before.

[736conver]

You know thats funny about that hole, mine was the same way. My mount wasnt a PMS mount though. It was homemade for my 2.2 and fit perfect. But when it was transfer to the 3.2 it didnt fit. I had to enlarge the hole. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

[kdfoust]

Here's a look at the engine sheetmetal. The OE carrera engine sheet metal is the dirty stuff on the inside, the PMS -6 metal is around the outside in the corresponding locations. You can see that there are some holes and stuff that I need to add. Tomorrow evening I want to get the engine sheet metal fit up with all the needed holes. Actually when I first looked at it I though a mistake had been made. I can now see how this will go together.

[kdfoust]

QUOTE (736conver @ Oct 5 2005, 09:52 PM)

Are you going to try and  git 'er done in one weekend with all your help.  That would be cool.

IT would be cool. One of the crew wants to do burn-outs in the street on Saturday night. If it was finished that quick I'd let him. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif)

We will get the mechanical install completed Saturday. It'll take a little longer to get everything else hooked up. If I had all the pieces laid up at hand I think we could do the whole thing in a weekend. We've taken on pretty ambitous "tech sessions" (our word for various projects) and succeded. It might be fun to do the final hookups in a tech session later this month with the goal of everybody taking it for a spin in the evening. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)

Later,
Kevin

[Steve]

Best of luck with your project.
It looks great.
Let me know if you need anything.
I still have all my hand written notes about the electrical stuff.
I can also swing by with my car if you want to take a look at it.

Steve