TYPE lV NIKASIL CYLINDERS, From 98mm to 104mm Options

[Type 4 Unleashed]

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[McMark]

There's only ONE place I would get Nickies from.

[Aaron Cox]

its not are man schteve is it???

[Jake Raby]

Hmmn,
I wonder which ones those are???

I feel sorry for Charles- He makes a great product that totally rocks, and cannot be paralleled all to have NUMEROUS copy cats follow suite...

There is only one real set of "Nickies" ....

If someone buys a set of these I'll pay you to send them to me for some measurements and material analysis...

Too bad they don't mention that your stock head studs are worthless with this sylinders ability to expand-

[Katmanken]

Judging from the size of the black coated fins,

I'm not convinced the cylinders are aluminum.

Nikasil in steel cylinders?

Ken

[Jake Raby]

I have Nikisil plated steel cylinders- we have them on the Super 2 Liter project engine...

I don't believe these are that way- they look like someone copied a stock cylinder 100% and then made a casting from it for the fins/cylinder..

real Nickies are 100% Billet Aluminum extrusion- not a damn part of them is a cast part.

[Katmanken]

Here is a link to their type 1 product.

Better focus on the pictures / more detail and it does state the cylinders are aluminum.

Type 1 Nikasil cylinders

Ken

[Katmanken]

Hey,

Did a Map and found Huntington Beach is right up the road from Costa Mesa Kali (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif)

Wonder if it's a new name for somebody we know. No feedback on the seller.

Ken

[Jake Raby]

No, this person is very reputable in the TI world, a very well known drag racer and an all around good guy...

Makes me think he is just selling these and not making them... They may be the AA Automotive sets- who knows..

[Aaron Cox]

QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Dec 12 2005, 12:51 PM)

No, this person is very reputable in the TI world, a very well known drag racer and an all around good guy... Makes me think he is just selling these and not making them... They may be the AA Automotive sets- who knows..

sooo...when do we find out how good they are or how crappy they is?

[cnavarro]

I expected someone now or later to attempt to copy our product and then do so with an inferior casting, not to mention what of the nikasil. Only Nickies comes with a lifetime warranty on the plating from the guys we use. Plus, no mention of head studs. We learned early on, even before selling a single cylinder, that the head studs would need to be upgraded, and nothing on the market except for the ARPs (which are available only though me) are designed for the task. Just makes it simple- no longer are our ARP head studs or any ARP hardware sold separately from Nickies. Easy solution there. I feel no threat as the only thing these things resemble of nickies are that they are aluminum and are plated. :-)

[Jake Raby]

Someone buy a set and I'll do my best to split them like a piece of Hickory under boost! I KNOW Charles has no problem giving up a set of his cylinders for a side by side comparison and I love to see parts fly in the dyno room....

Thats one thing about Charles- He drops the coin for testing time and time again....

[Katmanken]

Well judging from the fin area, you would be getting about half the cooling at half the cost. Guess ya gets what ya pay for.

Unless that black paint, er... I mean fin coating is going to REALLY suck the heat out to compensate.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif)

Ken

[Brett W]

The Nickies are a really nice product, I have seen them first hand. The quality that went into them is top drawer. But they are not the first company to make them. Yes they may be the first company to make the VW engine, but the nikasil coated aluminum cylinders are not new. Mahle came up with the first setup, obviously. Anyone here ever hear of a company called CMW Racing. They made a nickies setup as well.

I realize there has been dumbass Steve out there but why is that when someone else comes out with a product that is similar to another on the market do we have to start criticizing the product before it is ever proven fake, faulty, etc.

Maybe this fellow had an engineer design his setup also.

[cnavarro]

I actually have been manufacturing cylinders for CMW Racing (now CMW Motorsports) for almost two years in cooperation with Bob and Scott Cousimano, not to step on anyone's feet when I went into doing late model (930 and later) 911 Nickies. Everything else they had never done or had interest in doing. They have taken the extra time they now have to focus on their billet heads and their new CMW Oil co.

[Brett W]

Yeah Bob and Scott are great guys. Why did they quit doing their own cylinders? They had already done the design work.

It was agood idea for you to expand into the 911 market. On a whole there is more money being spent there.

[cnavarro]

They were working off of old stock for quite some time, right about the time I started working on my 911 cylinders I spoke to them and we worked out an agreement where I would integrate our improvements with those they found through years of building cylinders and cylinder heads. That's the main reason our 964 and 993 cylinders (as well as GT2 & Bi-turbo) are solid .800" down from the top deck. Makes the cylinder that much blow through resistant on high-compression or large boost blown engines, although our material and design had been shown to hold up to 2 bar of boost no problem. With his improvements he thinks our cylinders would easily hold 45 psi or more. We also supply these cylinders set up for their flame ring, which I think is the best, hands down.

[Jake Raby]

Yes I am well aware the Charles and LN were not the first to create an aluminum cylinder with Nikisil plating- Oettinger did it in the 70s for the TIV... BUT those cylinders lacked development, did not have particular head studs developed to work with them and certainly left a lot to guess about. (ring pack, skirt clearance, expansion rates the list goes on)

Charles and his former partner, Shad Laws worked on these nickies for a couple of years before LN engineering ever sold the first cylinder to a customer- I got set #2 before they were even proven.

Basically the best way I can sum it up is the fact that buying a cylinder set from LN gives you the piece of mind that you are buying a part with a KNOWN result that was developed for a certain purpose with components like head studs, rings and even running clearanaces that are pre-specified.. Unlike you will get when buying any other similar cylinder... I want to know how the hell they can dictate running clearances on those cylinders if they are already plated when sold- you can't just hone extra clearance with Nikisil unless you have a diamond hone!

[Brett W]

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With his improvements he thinks our cylinders would easily hold 45 psi or more. We also supply these cylinders set up for their flame ring, which I think is the best, hands down.

When are you going to offer micro laser welding to eliminate the head gasket all together? You know aka 962 engine. JK. I knew Bob's stuff was stout they did alot of their original modelling off the Porsche factory cylinders, so you know they were god to start with, but Porsche was saddled with 25-50 year old materials technology so there was definitely room for improvement. That is where Bob started and you guys picked up.

Is he still using the Ni-Rist rings? They are supposedly the best thing short of welding the cylinders to the head. Keep up the devlopement. HOw about some watercooled heads and cylinders?

I have a feeling we are not getting all of the information from the Samba ad. Jaycee probably doesn't sell them with out the pistons, this fellow may have trashed a piston or something.

[bernbomb914]

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/hijacked.gif) Jake not to confuse this issue I was wondering when You will have a DTM for the 914. I have been looking forward to buying one for a long time

Bernie