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> 1911, Any opinions or experiances?
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post Dec 17 2005, 10:46 AM
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) Type4 for any knuckle heads prepairing wise cracks (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) Based on the 1.7 1.8 bottom end, 96 P&C's and appropriate wrist pin height.

Any one running one? What are you impressions compared to a Stock 1.7, 1.8, 2.0?
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post Dec 17 2005, 10:50 AM
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post Dec 17 2005, 11:15 AM
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I've got one on Dell 45's with some high-lift cam. It kicks bottom. Easily as quick as a 2.0 six.
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post Dec 17 2005, 11:20 AM
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I didnt mean experiance having lived during that time JP. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif)
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post Dec 17 2005, 11:31 AM
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Had one with hydraulic lifters Weber 40's on it. Loved it. Fantastic bottom end.
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post Dec 17 2005, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE (rdauenhauer @ Dec 17 2005, 09:20 AM)
I didnt mean experiance having lived during that time JP. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif)

Hell ya. That was ww1....the really big one..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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post Dec 17 2005, 01:53 PM
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I ran one for several years in a bug. Nice motor for the money. Don't overcam - I ran a webcam 86a, which may have been a little much. 86 would have been better. I'll bet the type4store has a split duration cam just for this app too...
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post Dec 17 2005, 02:12 PM
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A 1911 is a torquey mofo. According to the dyno graphs for my engines, the 1911 (with carbs) is nearly identical to a stock 2.0, but has better low end torque and better top end. Good stuff.
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post Dec 17 2005, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE (McMark @ Dec 17 2005, 12:12 PM)
A 1911 is a torquey mofo.  According to the dyno graphs for my engines, the 1911 (with carbs) is nearly identical to a stock 2.0, but has better low end torque and better top end.  Good stuff.

That makes me wonder if a stock 2.0 isn't running as efficient as it should be (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)
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post Dec 17 2005, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (Brando @ Dec 17 2005, 10:33 PM)
QUOTE (McMark @ Dec 17 2005, 12:12 PM)
A 1911 is a torquey mofo.  According to the dyno graphs for my engines, the 1911 (with carbs) is nearly identical to a stock 2.0, but has better low end torque and better top end.  Good stuff.

That makes me wonder if a stock 2.0 isn't running as efficient as it should be (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

Probably.

Theoretically the stock 2.0 should have a better bottom end as it has a longer stroke and the 1911 a better top end because of the larger bore.
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post Dec 17 2005, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (jd74914 @ Dec 17 2005, 08:40 PM)
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QUOTE (McMark @ Dec 17 2005, 12:12 PM)
A 1911 is a torquey mofo.  According to the dyno graphs for my engines, the 1911 (with carbs) is nearly identical to a stock 2.0, but has better low end torque and better top end.  Good stuff.

That makes me wonder if a stock 2.0 isn't running as efficient as it should be (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

Probably.

Theoretically the stock 2.0 should have a better bottom end as it has a longer stroke and the 1911 a better top end because of the larger bore.

a 1911 shouldnt have more torque, it should spin faster and free-er do to the small stroke....

like a 2.0 six vs a 2.7.

shortstroke screamers....

they jam with 2L heads (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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post Dec 17 2005, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Dec 17 2005, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (jd74914 @ Dec 17 2005, 08:40 PM)
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QUOTE (McMark @ Dec 17 2005, 12:12 PM)
A 1911 is a torquey mofo.  According to the dyno graphs for my engines, the 1911 (with carbs) is nearly identical to a stock 2.0, but has better low end torque and better top end.  Good stuff.

That makes me wonder if a stock 2.0 isn't running as efficient as it should be (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

Probably.

Theoretically the stock 2.0 should have a better bottom end as it has a longer stroke and the 1911 a better top end because of the larger bore.

a 1911 shouldnt have more torque, it should spin faster and free-er do to the small stroke....

like a 2.0 six vs a 2.7.

shortstroke screamers....

they jam with 2L heads (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Thats what i meant, should explained it better. I figured the 1911 would have better top end HP (especially with carbs and 2.0heads) sorta like you said.
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post Dec 17 2005, 10:06 PM
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big stroke = torque
small stroke = rev happy

right?
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post Dec 17 2005, 10:26 PM
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The 1911 I'm looking at makes more torque down low because of the cam. I'm comparing a 1911 with a carb cam to a stock cammed 2.0. In this case the 1911 makes better low end and better top end.

Looking at a non-stock cam 1911 vs a non-stock cam 2056 you will get a torque advantage on the 2056 and a top end advantage on the 1911. But even that depends on the cam you choose.

Basically, I say, expect a 1911 to be nearly identical to a stock 2.0. Especially if you use stock D-Jet.
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post Dec 17 2005, 11:21 PM
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Since I have a 1.8 left over from a conversion I'm interested in this thread, but I'm confused. Are you saying one can get 95-100hp from a properly cammed & carb'd 1911 w/2l heads?
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post Dec 17 2005, 11:24 PM
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...meant to end with "and still have decent bottom end torque?"
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post Dec 18 2005, 12:44 AM
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This is Jake's dyno graph of a carbed 1911. See for yourself. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)


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post Dec 18 2005, 12:55 AM
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I thought you ment this 1911

http://www.m1911.org/


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post Dec 18 2005, 03:41 AM
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Wow... 104.5 torque on a 191... nice.
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Ditto!
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