Any US 914-4 factory equipped with carbs?, A $100 bet rides on this!! Options

[ChrisFoley]

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jan 6 2006, 10:05 AM)

What was the VIN as the 70 I had (29**)also didn't any of that stuff and I still have the djet parts of it.

I'm pretty sure my first 914 (the tangerine race car) had NO evaporative system either. I think the VIN# is below 7000, something like 4702906743

[Katmanken]

And the factory parts book sez.....

Vergaser-obersicht's were only available for 914-1.8 V models.....

And the kraftstoffpumpe for the vergasers was avalable for the 914-18 V model only.

Thats carbs and pumps fer you heathens... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif)

Ken

[Mark Henry]

QUOTE (davep @ Jan 6 2006, 09:23 AM)

As far as the reference to a car coming through Canada, I find that rather hokey. First, the only 914 that Canada sold in the first two years was a single 914/6, and it was never street licenced. VW Canada did not import the 914 until the 1972 model year in any quantity. Second, all 914/4 sold in Canada had FI.

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[horizontally-opposed]

If there's one thing I've learned about Porsche, it's to NEVER rule anything out -- epsecially when it comes to this kind of stuff.

I agree that no 914-4s came to the U.S. officially with carbs, but we are talking about 35+years ago here, and strange things happen. Just take 996 and 993 Turbos with hollow spoke 18s that didn't get them due to supply problems. Looks like the same may be happening again with Caymans on the base 18s. There are other parts over the years that the factory said would be in cars but then couldn't get enough of initially. It happened 50 years ago, it happens now.

Now, that said, fuel-injected motors are hardly similar in terms of being a bolt-on item that the factory might have had supply problems with...

So I agree with Andy and others -- but just not with being absolutist about it. Porsche has been known to do some dubious things from time to time.

pete

[Bleyseng]

Since 914's were assembled at the Karmann plant, VW supplied the engines from their own engine lines. These were the same basically as the 411/412 cars so I can't see how they would just throw together whatever to get the cars out.

[Jake Raby]

My customer also claims he had the 40 P 11 Solexes from the factory on his engine, just like Les's engine... And it has the industrial manifolds.

The engine came to me as a core set up like this in 2001 and he bought the car new in 1971.

I have emailed him to see if he will chime in here.

[Katmanken]

Went and checked those 2 sets of bus carbs and manifolds I have stashed in the garage..

They are 32-34's (not the 40's in the 914 parts manual) and the manifolds are different than the ones pictured in the parts catalog. That's one way to tell if they are real 914..

Learn something new every day....

Ken the man who buys vw junk at swaps

[davep]

I can say it was Les's car I was referring to, and the VIN is under 00100. As I stated it was a demonstrator, and should have been returned to the factory. This car was sold out of the back door, and could never be driven on the street. Simply put, it was never 'delivered to a customer'. Perhaps the car and engine Jake refers to was the same thing; I'd assume that more than one demonstrator was required for the country. As to why the demonstrator had carbs is not known. The FI was a big feature of the 914/4 compared to the cars it was competing against in the market.

Porsche sent early cars as demonstrators of the new models. A friend has a 911 he bought in 1965 in the UK. It was the UK demonstrator / auto show car. They had to take the car to France for a few hours, then return with it to be able to get the required paperwork to sell it. He had to post a bond stating that when he returned to Canada, he had to take the car with him: it could not remain in the UK permanently, it only had a 'visitor's permit'. He still has the car, and it is probably the 911 with the longest ownership of the original purchaser.

[Mueller]

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jan 5 2006, 09:53 PM)

euro 1.8 had VW PN manifolds and solex carbs....

here are a few pics I took of one I saw in France a few years ago (car is registered to a German guy that works at the plant they build the Boxsters at)

[Mueller]

another view:

[Aaron Cox]

ok... so they were single barrel carbs....

[Jake Raby]

FWIW- The engine code on the customer's engine did not match the case specifics. It was a "W" case with a serial number of only #163. It is by far the earliest TIV case I have seen made of aluminum, the others of that era were not W coded and were Magnesium.

This case was od because it had a provision for a windage tray and thats not typically found in a case easlier than a prefiz "1" W case. It also had a pair of "Z" coded 1.7 heads with smaller chambers that I had never seen before, or since.

It don't matter though, because now its a 2270!

[Dave_Darling]

QUOTE (dmenche914 @ Jan 5 2006, 10:38 PM)

on the phone with the porsche folks, the guy told me that ecspecially early in prodution sometimes euro cars would get stickered as US cars and shipped to the US. ... It did have regular D-jet...

Exactly--the European-spec 1.7s and 2.0s used D-jetronic fuel injection, not carbs.

The only way I could see a 1.7 being delivered with carbs is if someone at the Karmann factory mistakenly stuck a 411 engine (carbed version) into a 914, instead of the injected version.

--DD

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (Mueller @ Jan 6 2006, 10:22 AM)

here are a few pics I took of one I saw in France a few years ago (car is registered to a German guy that works at the plant they build the Boxsters at)

that looks very much like a 411 setup ...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy

[Gearhead1432]

Hmm. never heard of a factory 411 getting solex 40 p 11s (I thought it was a Porsche carb?). Not to say it didn't happen it just doesn't sound like something VW would do.

Did any other motor other than those fitted to 356s and 912s get 40 p 11s?

Jake, I find that very interesting. Could you share any photos? Was the motor fitted with a fuel pump or CHT sensor?

My stance it still that no US market 914/4 ever came from the factory with carbs. I have a hard time beliving otherwise unless some one can come up with some records to prove other wise. There is more than reasonable doubt that any US market 914 ever came with any kind of carb. The burdon of proof is on the other side.

-Rob

[Dave_Darling]

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jan 6 2006, 12:40 PM)

that looks very much like a 411 setup ...

There are a few more pics of it in the English-language 74 European-spec owner's manual I have. I do wish there was some place I could upload it so that people could download it and check out the differences. (hint, hint!)

--DD

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (Dave_Darling @ Jan 6 2006, 01:58 PM)

[I do wish there was some place I could upload it so that people could download it and check out the differences. (hint, hint!)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/poke.gif) squeaky dave gets the FTP access ...

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[JeffBowlsby]

US 914/4s were equipped with FI because of US emissions requirements. Now where did I hear that...? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

The 1968 T3 VWs were the first VW boxer engines equipped with D-Jet and one of the first production cars to get FI.

[alpha434]

so eliminate the outliers.... i.e. backdoor deals, and stuff that wasn't proven. The bible mentions nothing of a carbed 914 entering the u.s. originally.


BUT!!! No doubt somebody was swapping out the FI at day one. So one might've even been bought from a dealership like that.


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[dmenche914]

My 1970 is gone now, but I recall the Vin was something like 1300th or theres about car made, build date was late 1969 per door jam sticker. No evap system, federal spec, and the factory said it was supposed to come with it, UHM?????? (1.7 l D-jet)