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> valve lifters, big dissapointment
Elliot_Cannon
post Aug 29 2003, 01:19 PM
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Hi,
Sorry to cause any sleepless nights over this but I didn't know it was a wide spread problem. This is total bullshit and someone has to take some reponsibility here. I don't care who manufactures these things or who sells them, they are all responible for the product. Maybe we can get a class action thing going here. I'll call my lawyer. They don't call him "Mad Dog" for nothing. I hope to see some of you in Ventura.
Cheers, Elliot
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post Aug 29 2003, 01:33 PM
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take the cam and lifters and check the surface hardness before you or the engine builder installs them.

my brother had a 454 ate three 'matched' cam kits from competion cams. mucho expensive.
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post Aug 29 2003, 01:35 PM
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Just a thought but would those nifty hi-$ Ceramics solve these problems?
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post Aug 29 2003, 01:50 PM
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Arrrgh,,, I just had a cam and new lifters installed in my teener,, gonna have to get with my mechanic and ask him about this. I'll print up this thread and have him give it a read. Arrrgh
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post Aug 29 2003, 06:43 PM
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How much was that, if you don't mind?


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post Aug 29 2003, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(StratPlayer @ Aug 29 2003, 03:50 PM)
Arrrgh,,, I just had a cam and new lifters installed in my teener,, gonna have to get with my mechanic and ask him about this. I'll print up this thread and have him give it a read. Arrrgh

Here look at my '67 orange sparkle lefty on a security cam to calm down a bit.

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post Aug 29 2003, 08:54 PM
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post Aug 29 2003, 09:09 PM
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I think thats a glamour shot. I have a G & L Legacy and a PRS Hollowbody. Dr Z Maz 38 with two NOS Celestion Silvers. And a early Silverface Champ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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post Aug 30 2003, 12:34 AM
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Yep Rich.. the ceramic lifters would stop all this.



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post Aug 30 2003, 12:55 AM
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The strat is safe, it's got some battle scars from being spun on a floor, and slammed all over the blues..


So, what do I need to do about my engine that is going to be here Tuesday? Should I crack it, and change the lifters before I start it?

This sucks tremendously, I don't have the time to deal with another blown up motor, and I am in this one maybe $8k now..

I am fucking pissed off, and paranoid. Better off with a damned core, and a piece of shit car with an unknown history, and 0000019 showing..


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post Aug 30 2003, 12:59 AM
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Run it. If it pukes... we start a class action with Elliot. NO JOKE. The person who built your engine should be running these things prior to shipping anyway. One of the engines in the past that I had this happen too.. I fired it on the floor to break in the cam and noticed a ton of noise coming from it.. checked the valves and found a couple of them WAY loose. So.. I saved my self the headache of pulling it again. I do recall rebuilding a engine twice before I threw the case away when it went bad a third time. Ketp blaming it on the case.


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post Aug 30 2003, 01:05 AM
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We need a chat applet.

The first engine was broken-in for me, 600-700 miles..

When I got it, I noticed a noise in the front of the engine, we (me and my mech) decided without much inspection it was coming from the fan area... confusing, but benign enough for that moment.

I hope the cam has been seasoned, I'd hate for those lifters to eat a meal that expensive, and have it taste like shit.



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post Aug 30 2003, 01:08 AM
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I do have a chat applet (www.all914.com)

Can you prove that it had 600-700 miles on it ?? Did you see the mileage being put on the car (or did you put the mileage on it ?)


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post Aug 30 2003, 01:21 AM
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Can I prove it? No.

Do I believe it had run 500 miles? Yes, I was told it was.

Is anyone interested in a 0 mile engine? Make a resaonable offer that includes a running engine.

Built by the best, for the best money work can buy.... yeah, I feel good, if not inconfident.

Uhhg... I feel sick.


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post Aug 30 2003, 01:24 AM
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Not to hijack this thread but this sort of reminded me of a situation I suffered when I delt with a character from Tahachapi (sp) a short while back (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
After looking localy I decided to use ..him.
This was before I new of Raby or Brad or any of the many helpful people on this board.
Long and short of it evan though I was provided a "Video" of supposedly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) MY motor being run on a bench, When it arrive here nice and neat on a pallet needless to say as soon as it was installed it was all wrong.. after trying in vain to CONTACT the MF'er I ended up tearing it down to find a shit pile (IMG:style_emoticons/default/finger.gif) A roached crank, Severly re-welded heads and mismatched cam and lifters. Like you Miles I just swallowed hard and rebuilt it right nearly doubling my costfigureing its better to have an expensive runner than a useless pile.
But now I am happy.. just ask Geoff It runs pretty darn fine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)
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post Aug 30 2003, 01:36 AM
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I have a 40 piece Vietnamese socket set, about 10 minutes a week to work on my engine building skills, and a big sky to work under...

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Jeah, I am in here alot, I live arms length from computers, and upstairs. My garage is a tree covered dirt corner in the back yard.

I drove my new 2.0 for a month before deciding it would last the year it would take to restore the other car, and tore the other car down to pieces/parts. Now, Mr. Genius has no running car.

I'm 38, that only happens to 18 year olds neophytes! Working sporadically is also taking a big toll..

Fuck.


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post Aug 30 2003, 09:10 AM
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Hi,

Could be lifter bores? Or is it a chicken before the egg question? See this thread
Lifter Bore

Raises more questions than it answers.

Ceramics and machining were $429+shipping to LN $50 round trip. Better safe than sorry.


Carlos

76 2270 Not going to make Labor Day startup. Waiting to receive case. 9/14 seems to be the next best date.
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post Aug 30 2003, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(cgnj @ Aug 30 2003, 11:10 AM)
Could be lifter bores? Or is it a chicken before the egg question? See this thread
Lifter Bore

Raises more questions than it answers.


Carlos

Well, you can't rule it out, only on a case by case basis.. Hey, I made a funny. ha ha.

I hate to be different than everyone else, but my problems are with factory sets.

IF I have this problem again, I am going to spray paint the builder's name up the side, cover it with gas, light it on fire, drive it into the Savannah river, and record it. Maybe the club could use it as a flash/splash page.

Oh yeah.



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post Aug 31 2003, 04:42 PM
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Thereare MANY contributing factors to flat cams and dead lifters......I still only have had ONE bad cam out of 400+ from web. we build one engine per week and it gets 8 hours of dyno time......
The lifters I use are not the same as FAT....The guysat FAT are good guys. Theyare just like me. We can only inspect so much....sometimes we get screwed by parts!

The ceramic lifters ELIMINATE cam failures by having different wear characteristics than any metal....

BTW, I had the first full street engine to use ceramic lifters like these, it was my 227BHP TI engine for my beetle..
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post Jan 7 2004, 06:48 PM
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Anything special have to be done to use ceramic lifters, for just a street car?
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