Dino vs.914, whats wrong with people Options

[ChrisFoley]

I rode in a 246 at Lime Rock about 20 years ago. There was little room for a passenger. I remember having to hold my feet away from the driver's feet because the foot well is so narrow. I love the looks, but I would rather have a 914 with the same curves. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

[JmuRiz]

QUOTE (URY914 @ Jan 16 2006, 07:55 PM)

The Dino is a Fiat as a 914 is a VW. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

And some Dinos ARE Fiats:
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That being said, I would LOVE to have a Fiat Dino!

[dinomium]

Since my name IS Dino, I have to weigh in on this one... The Italian car manufacturing and racing rules has made for strange bed fellows! here are some random Dino and Ferrari tidbits...
Enzo raced and worked for Alfa Romeo in Milan, it wasn’t until after the second world war that he ran his own car. his son, Dino designed a great v6 1.56 liter for formula two racing. All of the v6 and some v8 ENGINES were to be known as Dinos. Dino Ferrari died of leukemia in 1956. His father never fully recovered and wore a black neck tie everyday for the rest of his life...
FIAT used the v6 in their coupes and roadsters to help Enzo homologate the engine for FIA sports car racing. FIAT used Pininfarina for the roadster and Bertone for the coupe, so you have two cars with the same name and same build year that have completely different body styles!
Enzo never cared for the road going portion of his company aside from the money it gave him to continue racing. He nearly sold to Ford and did ultimately sell majority share to FIAT.
Too say that any of the DINO badged cars are not "true" Ferraris is just wrong. These cars were more of the design houses (Pininfarina, Bertone) and the early cars had Gioacchino Colombo engines and the bodys were built by coachbuilders like Stablimenti Farina, Vignale and Ghia.
So the upshot is this: Real Ferraris? Really Porsches? Shut up! You only show you know very little about the history and the way the world of motosports actually works! It is very complex and often a collaborative effort…

As for 914s and 308 gt4 Dinos being similar? Well they both have four tires, run on gasoline, and mid-engines. That is where it ends!
Wow, that turned into a rant! HA
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[Root_Werks]

I remember seeing that car for sale locally. I never got a chance to go look at it, but I think you got a decent deal on it. Welcome to the Not a club 914 club! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wavey.gif)

[dinomium]

Oops, I missed that part, Welcome to the fray...
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[kart54]

OK, Can't resist, Thread semi-hijack.
From the same years came a handbuilt car made in very small numbers that will kick both the dino's butt and the 914's. I have always been amazed that the value of that car is roughly the same or less than a 914. The car has a 1.8 L four with dual overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder and 145 horsepower in stock version. With very little work it will deveolp over 200 hundred horsepower and there are a couple of examples of it out there with 300+ horsepower. this motor came from one of the most famous race winning companies out there and was a collaboration with them. The mtor is still available today but is slightly larger displacement; has a gridle on the lower end to handle the additional horsepower and now has twin turbos on it.
The transmission in the later models is a 5 speed shared with the 2002 BMWTii. Car was built from 1972 to 1975.
It is a convertible designed in Italy but for the most part built in England. The parts for it are more readily available than the 914 (I own both cars). It won SCCA championships in 1974,1975 and 1995 with Bruce Qvale of Trans-Am fame driving it. Qvale's father, Kjell Qvale, was the North Americam importer.
Huffaker has prepared some beautiful examples of it for racing and to my knowledge no Huffaker car of this type ever lost a race or a championship (Bragging, could be wrong about that, just a little puffing).
There are presently about 1300 known, documented examples of this car around the world. When I drive mine, because of the design and the "J" badge on the car I continually get asked "what model Jaguar is that".
In good condition they sell for $3-$5,000.00. In concours condition they can be found for under $10,000.00 if you look hard enough. (Just like our Porsches, at that point, the owner usually has $30,000.00 plus into it.)
One more commonality with the Porsche, it usually leaves its signature oil imprint wherever it is parked for any period of time no matter how hard the owner tries to stop the leaks.
Anybody know what car I'm talking about? I was going to say what it was but think it will be more fun to see who guesses it.
Randy,
Ventura, CA

[Mueller]

914/6= ~3000+ built

Dino= ~1557 built

add in the fact that 100,000 914/4 had been built and sold, it's pretty darn obvious to me why the Dino would have more of a collectors interest......

if no /4s had been built and the /6 numbers had stayed in the 3000 range, good chance the value would be higher for the 914/6 than they are now (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[Hybrid_Teener]

it's a Jensen, not quite sure which you're talking about though.

[tod914]

Hmmm I'm thinking Jensen Healy. Do I win a cigar?

[Hybrid_Teener]

I wanna say interceptor III

[kart54]

Boy, You guys are good.

Jensen Healey.

Originally built with the 1.8 L Lotus 4 cylinder with BMW trans.
Arguably, due to scarcity and performance should be the most valuable of the bunch.

Mine, with just a different set of cams, crane electronic ignition and properly jetted dellorto carbs is over 165 horsepower to the rear wheels. Weight is about the same as my lightened 914 race car (1800+lbs.). So double the 914 horsepower and same weight.

Randy

[lapuwali]

QUOTE (Hybrid_Teener @ Jan 17 2006, 11:18 AM)

I wanna say interceptor III

Not with a 1.8 four. The Interceptor used a gigantic Chrysler V8. 7 liters or thereabouts. Jensen-Healey is a four, with some massaging by Lotus.

[Hybrid_Teener]

Oh yea. Interceptors were pretty bad-ass though.

but, for some reason, I thought they made more than 1300 Healeys..

[lapuwali]

QUOTE (kart54 @ Jan 17 2006, 11:30 AM)

Boy, You guys are good. Jensen Healey. Originally built with the 1.8 L Lotus 4 cylinder with BMW trans. Arguably, due to scarcity and performance should be the most valuable of the bunch. Mine, with just a different set of cams, crane electronic ignition and properly jetted dellorto carbs is over 165 horsepower to the rear wheels. Weight is about the same as my lightened 914 race car (1800+lbs.). So double the 914 horsepower and same weight. Randy

Alas, scarcity has never been much of an influence on price unless the production numbers are in the single digits, and someone really wants the car. My father has a SAAB Sonnet II (not the much more familier III), of which only 1500 were ever made worldwide. The car is worth perhaps $5K in decent shape, depending entirely on the buyer. 80hp 1500cc V4, about 1500lbs, so better than 914/6 power/weight. I've owned two Alfas (2000 Berlina and Alfetta GT), each of which was imported in numbers of under 2000 each, and they're nearly worthless, easily $500-1000 in typical condition, up to maybe $3000 in exceptional condition. The FIAT 124 Coupe I just bought is absurdly rare these days, much more so than the 914/4 (indeed, well into 914/6 territory), and will outperform a 1.7 914/6 (2110lbs, 90hp). Yet, in like condition, it costs somewhat LESS than a 914/4.

This also goes the other way. I can't find exact production numbers for the Mustang Boss 302 (though it appears to be WAY over the 3000 914/6s made), and these were not expensive cars when new (a 1970 Boss 302 was certainly cheaper than a 1970 914/6, anyway), yet they currently sell for 2-3 times what a 914/6 does. More people with money WANT a Boss 302 than want a 914/6, so the price is higher.

[tod914]

QUOTE

...There are presently about 1300 known

. not produced.

[msglaigaie]

geniusanthony nice to see another BLACK 914. Have you been advised that the color alone will afford you a 7% increase in bhp ?? My son just went feet dry kuwait for his second visit. We will be on your side while you are away. MSG L

[twistedstang]

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) Dino (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) . Thats all I had to say (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif)

[SandyI]

Having just purchased my first 914 with a Euro 3.2 in it, I could kick any Dino's arse.

That being said, my father owned a '73 Dino, in red, with chairs and flares, Campy wheels, the whole ballawax. If you think there's some great similarity between the two cars, I'm sorry but you really haven't spent any time driving a Dino.

First off, the 914 is classic German -- form follows function. No frills.

The Dino is classic Italian -- S-E-X.

Sure, a well-tuned 914 will hammer a Dino on the track. But that was never the purpose of the Dino. The Dino's all about long Sunday drives down PCH with the top off.

And in So Cal, when you turn every female head? You know you're driving something special. And sorry to say that will never happen in my 914.

[lapuwali]

QUOTE (SandyI @ Jan 17 2006, 02:35 PM)

never the purpose of the Dino. The Dino's all about long Sunday drives down PCH with the top off.

Unless you're driving a REAL Dino: the GTB... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[redshift]

Hey Anthony, in case you haven't heard it lately! :

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!



Miles