starting the tube V8 car, no turning back now Options

[byndbad914]

thanks for all the kind words to those of you out there following along and appreciating my form of insanity. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif) I wasn't sure about using a baja shop to build a 914, but I have to admit, I think AJ's fresh perspective is really paying off for me. It isn't "out of the box" per se, but just a different box and I think maybe a better box. He has had some great ideas thus far and doesn't argue with my ideas like a "I have done this a 1000 times and that is how it is going to be" chassis guy might. He doesn't argue, but doesn't always agree either (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

I am really looking forward to seeing how the rear comes out when it is 5-linked. I kept talking trailing arms and he just looked at me and said "what about a 5-link - I will do it for the same $ since it will be easier in the long run, and I think will work way better than any trailing arm setup". I don't know if you would get that from a 914 specialist - hard to say.

Bob, those secondaries are definitely short! I am sure they fit good though - for mine I would be a little concerned about the midrange with such a short secondary. Of course, V8 in a 914 - who needs bottom end and midrange (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) If you had a shorty before, though, I can believe they made a nice difference on your power throughout the powerband!

[Dr. Roger]

QUOTE (BIGKAT_83 @ Mar 27 2006, 04:01 PM)

I also used Schoenfeld headers. I used model #151 these are shorter than yours collector ends about 6" before the axle and tuck in tighter to the engine. I've got 1 5/8"primary tubes with a 3" collector. All I had to do was have a muffler shop put 2 bends in a short pipe to mount the mufflers. I put these on after using some block hugger shorty headers. After installing the full length Schoenfeld headers my engine came alive. Tube frame is looking GREAT............................... Bob

i agree..... "they came alive"?????

i don't even have 75 miles on my car yet and i'm thinkin' of getting some long tube headers......

byndbad914,
your car kick serious @$$.

can i get in line for a spin once she's done????


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[racerx7]

It looks awesome.

For what your doing, you could have made anything. Why did you choose a 914? Was it just
for the serial # so it would be easy to register and not have to smog it?

[byndbad914]

QUOTE (Dr. Roger @ Mar 27 2006, 04:07 PM)

byndbad914, your car kick serious @$$. can i get in line for a spin once she's done???? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)  B)

careful how you phrase those questions - I have raced old Mustangs, my truck and a few other various projects and I have only spun one time - my last time out in the 914 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) That low polar moment is something else I gotta tell you. Never experienced how that feels until last track day. Man, when they go, they GO and you just sorta hold on and enjoy the ride both feet in.

That said, when it is all done and you are out at a track day where I am at and passengers are allowed, I will give you a ride no problem.

[Brett W]

I was wrong on the Blazer/ZR2 bolt pattern it is a 5x4.75in pattern. The bigger trucks use the 5x5 but I can't seem to find a four wheel drive setup that has the bigger bolt pattern.

[byndbad914]

QUOTE (Brett W @ Mar 27 2006, 08:29 PM)

I was wrong on the Blazer/ZR2 bolt pattern it is a 5x4.75in pattern. The bigger trucks use the 5x5 but I can't seem to find a four wheel drive setup that has the bigger bolt pattern.

...did you say steak? NO, MIStake - big mistake... awww see, you went and got me all excited.

Brett - just reminded me of Deuce Bigalow - do you have any links/photos of what those uprights look like anyway?

Also, I's orrdud my wee-uls tuday (about my best southern NASCAR accent)

[JoeSharp]

A friend of mine stopped by the Baja Shop and took these.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe

[JoeSharp]

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[JoeSharp]

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[JoeSharp]

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[JoeSharp]

They build some baadd ass stuff...

[JoeSharp]

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[JoeSharp]

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[JoeSharp]

This one looks like it's been on it's nose.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe

[byndbad914]

QUOTE (racerx7 @ Mar 27 2006, 04:18 PM)

For what your doing, you could have made anything. Why did you choose a 914? Was it just for the serial # so it would be easy to register and not have to smog it?

Joe - nice. Small world eh? I think I might have met him actually, I was working on the car a couple weeks ago and a guy asked if I would mind him taking some pics periodically to show a friend with a 914... that must be you (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

racerx7 - sorry for the late response, didn't catch this question when you posted... the question is a little unclear to me. I think you are specifically asking why I chose a 914 moreso than model year v. smog. I chose the 914 because

- number one is the mid-engine configuration
- I kinda like how they look, especially flared out with some big tires
- lightweight and compact v. a Pantera, which I was also heavily debating
- you can shoehorn V8s in them and they don't look butchered when you are done - more like it coulda been an option.
- there are lotsa aftermarket goodies out there for these cars, and what you can't find, 911 stuff will probably fit, then you have a whole other library of parts catalogs to rummage through on the toilet
- the power to weight ratio when this is all done with be just over 4lb/HP, which is insanely low and makes for an unreal driving experience. I would have a hard time getting that in a Pantera.

Originally I wasn't planning to go full tube chassis btw. In terms of smog and registration, I already had a 72 car, but even if I didn't, I would have been certain to buy a smog exempt one for easy registration. It is nice to be registered for the street as the car insurance is easier to obtain without a lot of questions asked about the car itself.

For the next car (yes, I have a short attention span and will probably be "over" this car within a few years) I will probably build a 1970 Mustang Fastback in similar fashion - tube chassis front to rear with stock doors, dash, all the working lights and such, but with a more streetable 462 cube small block (4.185" bore/4.2" stroke) hyd roller cam motor as a daily driver. Easy 500HP/550 lb-ft setup with full Nascar front and rear clips with a 3-link quick change rearend. Yes, I said daily driver.

Can you tell how short my attention span is yet? Not even done with one car and already laying out the second one...

[turbo914v8]

Wow cool pic's. I may have to take an early vacation and visit you and your 914. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[Mueller]

QUOTE (Joe Sharp @ Mar 29 2006, 05:48 PM)

A friend of mine stopped by the Baja Shop and took these. :PERMAGRIN: Joe

they didn't make you sign an NDA form?? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

[Brett W]

I am back with more info. The C5 and C6 use a 5x5 bolt pattern hub just like the ZR2. I am going to be taking the wheels off my old man's Brand new ZO6 this weekend to see what I can use from the rear suspension.

[byndbad914]

quick midweek updates - not much to see, he just started framing out the front.

Brett - turns out I mentioned the ZR2 stuff to AJ and asked if he knew what I was talking about and he said "yeah, that is the mini-stub stuff I have been trying to tell you about" (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) So he had shown me some of the aftermarket stuff they have been using a ton of on bajas - apparently it has the GM hubs and such.

It would cost too much to convert over at this point - if I was going from scratch it might be different. But, because I am using the late turbo axles and such, I would have to change all of that out and so forth. Down the road if I have issues with the uprights he fabs or something, I can easily convert to that then, you know, when I am rich and famous and such.

[byndbad914]

tubing passing through the old vent areas. The car metal will ultimately be removed that surrounds the tubing - we just kept in in to have a reference of where the dash vent hole will be in the end.