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Strongest 2316cc "Annihilator" ever!, This customer got more than he paid for!

Jake Raby	Feb 15 2006, 09:02 PM Post #1
Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States	As a result of a few things Len and I have been playing with the HP and troque levels of pretty much all my engines have been increasing recently. One of the most recent cases of this was a 914 customer who is local to us that came to me with a 2.0 engine with Mark Stephens heads. Len had to do a lot of work to overcome what MSHP had done to the heads and one of the things he did was the only way the heads could be saved, it was also something he had been wanting to try for quite some time, so the change was employed on this engine. Well, two Fridays ago the customer came up for the final dyno pulls and witnessed the engine make 202HP ON PUMP GAS WITH 9.5:1 CR! This engine was built from my standard "Annihilator" base engine that typically makes in the low 180s for HP and about 170 on torque fully optimized- this engine made 183HP ON THE FIRST PULL WITH DEFAULT SETTINGS! After a few tweeks of the Mallory and a re-jet the engine made 202HP at only 6,000 RPM and 183 lb/ft of torque at 4,000 RPM! This engine typically needs to rev to 7, 000 RPM to make 180 HP, not the case here! The crazy part is this engine made 167 lb/ft of torque at only 3,000 RPM- The torque curve is so flat that it almost looks artificial! Needless to say my customer was astonished as he paid for 180 ponies, but got the added power at no extra charge.... When I called Len and told him what the engine had done, he was not suprised that much, and this same change is standard equipment on the "New generation" cylinder heads that we are presently working with to complete development of. These heads are going to change a ton, because we are attaining more power for the SAME cost as before AND larger engines (2563 and 2615) will now be CHEAPER than before! Just last week I used the very first set of these production versions of the heads on a 2270 I built for the Hot VWs build up series and that engine also made more Torque and HP than any 2270 ever has before! It did this with only 9.55:1 CR as well, on pump gas with no crazy parts and this engine made peak power @ 5,500 RPM, meaning there is no need to twist the engine to insane levels to get the power, and the whole engine loves that! The best part is that VERY SOON ALL my engines and engine kits will incorporate these "New Generation" heads as standard equipment, and the prices are not moving a bit!

Brian Mifsud	Feb 15 2006, 09:10 PM Post #2
Mechanical Engineer Group: Members Posts: 981 Joined: 3-March 03 From: Penngrove, CA Member No.: 384 Region Association: None	(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) Go Jake Go! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) You know, you keeping making great numbers with crappy technology, and sooner or later Chevy's or Briggs and Stratton are gonna come knocking on your door with a job offer..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Jake Raby	Feb 15 2006, 09:15 PM Post #3
Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States	I was offered a job at Briggs 7 years ago..... As far as Chevy's go- They have radiators- HELL NO!

olav	Feb 15 2006, 09:15 PM Post #4
Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,107 Joined: 28-December 02 From: Los Gatos, CA. USA Member No.: 34 Region Association: None	What if you twist it to insane levels? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

TravisNeff	Feb 15 2006, 09:16 PM Post #5
914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region	Very impressive Jake!

Brian Mifsud

Feb 15 2006, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE (olav @ Feb 15 2006, 07:15 PM)

What if you twist it to insane levels? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

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Well, Jake, at 100hp per liter.. .now all you gotta do is get it to burn ultra clean.. then HONDA will be knocking at your door!

Well done.

EdwardBlume	Feb 15 2006, 09:34 PM Post #7
914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California	Very cool. You've got a great job!! Keep it up!

Jake Raby

Feb 15 2006, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE (olav @ Feb 15 2006, 07:15 PM)

What if you twist it to insane levels? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

We do.... As we speak I'm assembling a destroked, huge bored sub 2400cc engine that will rev to 9,000 RPM with Titanium rods, lightened crank and the works for an 1100 pound, Aluminum bodied 550 Spyder replicar for a customer in the UK... The heads have over 90 hours of labor in their composition, with twin ignition and the works...

We call it "The Mighty Spyder" and it'll be unveiled at the Classic Leman in France this July, and I'll be there to drive it!

So far the power plots(3D models) for this baby tip the scales at 270HP!

craig downs	Feb 15 2006, 09:40 PM Post #9
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 25-November 05 From: mira loma ca. Member No.: 5,189 Region Association: Southern California	Wow This is good news. My car will be ready in the fall and I'm planing on a 2270 kit. I even have all the parts to assemble a 2165 but you can't compete with extensive R&D. I'll put this engine together for my rail and get buy one of Jakes engine kits for the car

thesey914

Feb 16 2006, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Feb 16 2006, 04:39 AM)

...and it'll be unveiled at the Classic Leman in France this July, and I'll be there to drive it!

Jake -I'll keep an eye out for you and the spyder

914werke	Feb 16 2006, 02:26 AM Post #11
"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,066 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	Jake Im curious can you describe what mshp had done to these hases that had to be "overcome"? I ask cuz ...I got a set !! and I was appaled at what they did (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

sean_v8_914	Feb 16 2006, 02:36 AM Post #12
Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541	yeah, me too. I have a set of scanky looking mark stephens 2.0 heads. alledgedly rebuilt

rickyhgarcia	Feb 16 2006, 05:51 AM Post #13
UPS truck is here... Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 13-June 04 From: Miami, Florida Member No.: 2,198	Jake, Will these heads make it to my recently ordered 2615 kit? Your thread indicates that 2615 engines will benefit from this new technology. Ricky

VaccaRabite	Feb 16 2006, 06:26 AM Post #14
En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,444 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region	Huh, You see, not beingh able to make big purchases for my car till after the wedding is a good thing. :-) Will these heads also be going into 2056 kits, or just the 2270 and larger kits? Zach

crash914	Feb 16 2006, 06:33 AM Post #15
its a mystery to me Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 17-March 03 From: Marriottsville, MD Member No.: 434 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region	you guys got a set of this head combo for a 103 by 80? waiting for the irs check..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Joe Ricard	Feb 16 2006, 06:38 AM Post #16
CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92	(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif) That's cool .... See I told my wife "head is good".. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif)

Pugbug	Feb 16 2006, 08:18 AM Post #17
Member Group: Members Posts: 449 Joined: 14-February 05 From: Victoria, BC Member No.: 3,604	Jake...You have me re-thinking my plans for a Suby conversion if I can get near 200 hp reliably from aircooled. I especially like the flat torque curve and power at lower rpm! You are doing wonderful things for the aircooled world.

olav

Feb 16 2006, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Feb 15 2006, 07:39 PM)

QUOTE (olav @ Feb 15 2006, 07:15 PM)

What if you twist it to insane levels? :D

We do.... As we speak I'm assembling a destroked, huge bored sub 2400cc engine that will rev to 9,000 RPM with Titanium rods, lightened crank and the works for an 1100 pound, Aluminum bodied 550 Spyder replicar for a customer in the UK... The heads have over 90 hours of labor in their composition, with twin ignition and the works...

We call it "The Mighty Spyder" and it'll be unveiled at the Classic Leman in France this July, and I'll be there to drive it!

So far the power plots(3D models) for this baby tip the scales at 270HP!

Jake Raby	Feb 16 2006, 09:14 AM Post #19
Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States	All 2270 and larger kits and ALL RAT ENGINES will be benefitting from these head developments, effective immediately! This includes the 2563 and 2615cc engine kits. Sure we have a combination for a 103X80 engine, with your cam the 7456 heads would be optimum... The price of these heads will be staying the same, BUT a minimum of 10% more power will be gained (more like 15-18% net) 2056 and smaller engines are not targeted for these heads, these small engines already make incredible power with the current heads and will rev to 7K without any further mods. Its that much more incentive to go MassIVe!

914werke	Feb 16 2006, 10:12 AM Post #20
"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,066 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	Ok thanks for the gratuitius plug there Jake (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) but you didnt answer my Q.

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