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| sk8kat1 |
 Feb 18 2006, 09:58 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 10-October 05 From: belvidere ,IL Member No.: 4,937  |
I right now have the19 mm MC , SS brake lines and bmw front caliper upgrade from PO
I have heard the the stockers are just as good if working properly .. is this true ... is there a better setup than both and keeping the 4 lug .. |
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| DanT |
Feb 18 2006, 10:01 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
Magical Billet hubs, M calipers and vented SC rotors all with 4 lug (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| sk8kat1 |
Feb 18 2006, 10:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 10-October 05 From: belvidere ,IL Member No.: 4,937 |
billet hubs -- are those the muller ones? how much
M calipers ? like bmw M calipers? sc rotors ? splan more please and cost or are you tring to be a little funny (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/poke.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Feb 18 2006, 10:14 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
M calipers - PORSCHE M calipers. off pre 74 911's, in both vented and non vented versions SC rotors - 911 SC vented rotors.... |
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| sk8kat1 |
Feb 18 2006, 10:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 10-October 05 From: belvidere ,IL Member No.: 4,937 |
oooo.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/slap.gif) --well I kinda feel like a dumbass... well what do all these items run price wise and how hard to get
and on the calipers does it make a differance which version I get and can I run the M calipers as bolt ons like the bmw brakes |
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| DanT |
Feb 18 2006, 10:18 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
No funny (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
Dead serious. M calipers are 3 inch mounting bolt spacing, from early 911s. Fit directly to your 914-4 struts. Yes, the Mueller hubs. SC rotors as in 911SC 1978-1983 As far as price goes, the hubs are $400 IIRC M Calipers anywhere from $50+ per pair depending on condition SC rotors are $50 per brand new your BMW calipers run with solid (non-vented) rotors. M calipers run with vented (SC) rotors |
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| sk8kat1 |
Feb 18 2006, 10:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 10-October 05 From: belvidere ,IL Member No.: 4,937 |
are the muller hubs nessiary or just for the grins and giggles factor
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| Aaron Cox |
Feb 18 2006, 10:25 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
obviously not neccesary.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) because your car dont have em on it (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) it gives you vented rotors vs solid rotors.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| DanT |
Feb 18 2006, 10:28 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
The billet hubs are the only way you can run the SC vented rotors.
The hubs mimic the function and look of 911 hubs. This way you can buy just rotors instead of your current rotor/hub combination. With the billet hubs you don't have to buy change bearings etc when you need new rotors. Otherwise what would be the point of putting a larger caliper and generating more heat with no improved way of dissipating that heat? Why add M calipers and keep solid rotors. What is your obsession with thinking that the hubs are something comical? |
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| Aaron Cox |
Feb 18 2006, 10:31 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) with dan the man..... do a little research first... |
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| sk8kat1 |
Feb 18 2006, 10:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 10-October 05 From: belvidere ,IL Member No.: 4,937 |
no not comical.. just did know if the the billet was suggested for racing wieght savings or because it was the best good option ...or both ----
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| sk8kat1 |
Feb 18 2006, 10:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 10-October 05 From: belvidere ,IL Member No.: 4,937 |
i have researched all I could find as an alternative was teh 911 5 lug conversion or the bmw on PP-- that is why I asked you guys because the club collective has a lot of knowlage that I not only having had a 914 since november
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| john rogers |
Feb 18 2006, 10:49 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 4-March 03 From: Chula Vista CA Member No.: 391 |
On my vintage 2L race car, I use the billet front hubs, M calipers with Pagid race pads, slotted rotors in front, BMW calipers with Axis semi metalic pads in back and my car can out brake an all wheel drive Mitsu rally car or late model Corvette in a Mexican circuit (street) race and do it lap after lap. I use a 23 MM master cylinder through as I like a short pedal travel.
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| sk8kat1 |
Feb 19 2006, 12:21 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 10-October 05 From: belvidere ,IL Member No.: 4,937 |
anyone know a good place to get the calipers?
and if I pick up the hubs, calipers , pads , rotors ..any others parts I will need to do the swap ? |
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| DanT |
Feb 19 2006, 12:36 AM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
Any friendly Porsche dismantelers in your neck of the woods?
Lots of times the calipers and rotors will show up at swap meets. Watch the classifieds here, they show up occasionally. Only other thing you might need would be new bearings. Possibly new hard brake lines on the strut, if you can't bend the orginals. 914-6 or early 911 hard brake line will work. Good Luck (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Feb 19 2006, 12:41 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
to elaborate on the brake line.... most M calipers utilize a BANJO fitting on the line.... its better to get the line off the 911 |
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| sk8kat1 |
Feb 21 2006, 10:06 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 10-October 05 From: belvidere ,IL Member No.: 4,937 |
hey just out of curiosity .. are the 911t ...M calipers
the same as the 914/6 ones? |
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| Dr Evil |
Feb 21 2006, 11:20 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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Hey Mike,
Perhaps if you look at how the 911 rotors attach you will see the need for the custom billet hubs Mueller makes. They attach differently than our stock ones and will only work with either the 911 front end or Muellers adaptors. For parts, look at the pelican parts 911 classifieds, ask here in the parts section. I got the 3" M calipers from a member here for cheap. I believe the 914/6 are the same. The main thing is that the mounting bolt holes for the caliper are 3" spaced, not 3.5". HTH |
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| sk8kat1 |
Feb 21 2006, 11:25 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 911 Joined: 10-October 05 From: belvidere ,IL Member No.: 4,937 |
ok thanks for the info ...I am already 90% there money wise to get teh mueller hubs and the rotors from the club store .. just scouting out the calipers now
I am also adding turbo tie rods and new balljoints and 165# rear springs ....also if i happen on some extra cash getting my rears calipers done right by eric shea (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| r_towle |
Feb 21 2006, 11:38 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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I dont want to get smacked here...
What are your intentions with the car? Big vented brakes (I could debate that the 911 rotors are not Big) are really only needed for a serious track car. Your setup with 19mm, bmw front calipers, and stock rears will stop the car on a dime...if they are set up correctly. get more aggressive pads up front, get and adjustable proportioning valve, and fix what you have. Spend the money on good front struts and rear shocks. Adjustable koni's JMHO Rich |
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