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> removing heads, cant get it off
shaggy
post Feb 23 2006, 10:48 PM
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im trying to remove the driver head on my 2.0

have removed 4 bolts on top of head
and rocker arm
and bolts behind rocker arms
and intake runners
and removed the bolts in the tin under the head

AND I STILL CANT GET IT OFF!!!

whats wrong with me?
what did i miss?
i cant see anything

please help

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post Feb 23 2006, 10:51 PM
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Did you take off the tin under the barrels but above teh push rod tubes? It is called a windage tray by some and will hold your head on fi you do not remove it. I think it is one screw and easy.

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post Feb 23 2006, 10:54 PM
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yep, that the tin i mean under the heads

mine has one 8mm hex to the head (i think)
and 2 flathead tin screws either to the cars of the jugs

i know its out because i can move it freely away from the heads and in all dirrections

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post Feb 23 2006, 10:56 PM
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got a hammer?

plastic or rubber faced would be better, don't break a fin... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif)
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post Feb 23 2006, 10:57 PM
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thats my next plan but john (flatvw) is asleep and dosent want to be woken up by me
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so i didnt miss anything?
its jsut stuck?

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post Feb 23 2006, 11:40 PM
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i give up for tonight

i cant get it off
tried turning it on its side and every which way
had my brother cranking it over while i pulled nothing
got the jugs to break from the case and there is a little gap but nothing to speak of
it appears that the jugs are still on the heads

if i continue im gonna end up pissed off and breaking stuff so im done for today

any help/ideas would be great

thank
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post Feb 24 2006, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 23 2006, 08:51 PM)
It is called a windage tray by some

The windage tray is inside the engine and is supposed to keep oil at the sump during cornering. The pieces under the cylinders is just another piece of cooling tin. Just in case anyone is keeping score. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

You should be able to pull the head off with the cylinders still attached. So if the under-cylinder tin is still attached to the case, remove the two screws on the case that hold it in place. Are the pushrod tubes still attached?

There are washers (special thick washers, keep them safe) under the head nuts, make sure you pull them out or they might hold you up.

Good luck.
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post Feb 24 2006, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 23 2006, 09:51 PM)
Did you take off the tin under the barrels but above teh push rod tubes? It is called a windage tray by some and will hold your head on fi you do not remove it. I think it is one screw and easy.

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IIRC windage tray is what is inside the sump.....



Get a rubber mallet and tap em to loosen them up....


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post Feb 24 2006, 12:08 AM
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So, you're gonna split the case on that thing?
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post Feb 24 2006, 12:14 AM
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yep

have to
need to run fi not carbs
changing cam
hopefully for a raby

so take push tubes out huh?

is there a best way to do that?
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post Feb 24 2006, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE (McMark @ Feb 23 2006, 11:07 PM)
QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 23 2006, 08:51 PM)
It is called a windage tray by some

The windage tray is inside the engine and is supposed to keep oil at the sump during cornering. The pieces under the cylinders is just another piece of cooling tin. Just in case anyone is keeping score. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

You should be able to pull the head off with the cylinders still attached. So if the under-cylinder tin is still attached to the case, remove the two screws on the case that hold it in place. Are the pushrod tubes still attached?

There are washers (special thick washers, keep them safe) under the head nuts, make sure you pull them out or they might hold you up.

Good luck.

dang... mark edged me out by a few sec's.....
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post Feb 24 2006, 12:24 AM
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Yeah, I'm fast Aaron. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Sounds like the pushrod tubes are holding you up. They just pull out once the rockers are off. You can carefully use a pair of pliers.
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post Feb 24 2006, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE (McMark @ Feb 23 2006, 11:24 PM)
Yeah, I'm fast Aaron. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Sounds like the pushrod tubes are holding you up. They just pull out once the rockers are off. You can carefully use a pair of pliers.

slow is good sometimes.... rofl....

shaggy.. squeeze real hard with the pliers on the pushrod tube... if you want them to collapse (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/tongue.gif) (JUST KIDDING>>>>DONT SQEEZE)

try a rag and your hand and twist them left and right... and they should pull out thru the head....
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post Feb 24 2006, 12:29 AM
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Yeah, twist as you pull. Sometimes they are a PITA.
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post Feb 24 2006, 12:30 AM
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If you pull a plug and feed bunch of nice soft rope in there while the piston is down, and then turn the crank... something's gotta give. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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post Feb 24 2006, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE (shaggy @ Feb 23 2006, 10:14 PM)
yep

have to
need to run fi not carbs
changing cam
hopefully for a raby

so take push tubes out huh?

is there a best way to do that?

Have you determined if the crank is a 2.0? Once you get the head off, measure the stroke and bore so we know.
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post Feb 24 2006, 07:47 AM
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Jake's video covers all this stuff, Vol. 8 Type 4 engine.
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post Feb 24 2006, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (Dead Air @ Feb 24 2006, 06:47 AM)
Jake's video covers all this stuff, Vol. 8 Type 4 engine.

noted.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)


The Shaggster and I are working on removing these pushrod tubes, how does one remove them?


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post Feb 24 2006, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (Flat VW @ Feb 24 2006, 06:11 PM)
The Shaggster and I are working on removing these pushrod tubes, how does one remove them?


get a open end wrench that fits the small dia. of the tube...smack with a hammer towards the valve cover.......
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post Feb 24 2006, 07:54 PM
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Tried that, we will try it again, tapping a little more vigorously this time.


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