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post Sep 8 2003, 04:58 PM
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Well, it looks like my motor finally gave up the ghost... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Intake leaks, etc, etc. It hasn't been rebuilt in 70k+ miles.

How much would you all think a total rebuild would run on a stock 2.0/4?

Thanks...
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post Sep 8 2003, 05:06 PM
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Euro-stock, $5-6k.

That's 45 hours of labor you are up against.


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post Sep 8 2003, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(AZ914 @ Sep 8 2003, 05:58 PM)
Well, it looks like my motor finally gave up the ghost... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Intake leaks, etc, etc. It hasn't been rebuilt in 70k+ miles.

How much would you all think a total rebuild would run on a stock 2.0/4?

Thanks...

are you going to rebuild it yourself or have a shop do it? redshift's price is right for a shop, but you can do it yourself for about 1/2 that... hell, for the 6k, you can get a Jake Raby 2270!!!
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post Sep 8 2003, 05:26 PM
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Everyone who dumps so much time and money into one of these old cars to fix it up should get some kind of medal.
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post Sep 8 2003, 05:29 PM
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post Sep 8 2003, 05:30 PM
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I was looking at having a shop do this work. I am no mechanic. Yeah, I can bolt things on, do some brakes etc but no way could I do a rebuild....
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post Sep 8 2003, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(AZ914 @ Sep 8 2003, 03:30 PM)
no way could I do a rebuild....

you might be surprised. mostly it's about being careful, following instructions, measuring carefully, following instructions, patience, attention to detail, cleanliness, and following instructions.

we had a guy on Rennlist who did a full rebuild by asking a day's worth of questions, going off to do the work, repeat as needed. oh yeah - if you can actually follow instructions you won't have to backtrack and re-do everything a few times until you believe what people told you to do in the first place...

you do need a place to have stuff spread out for a while, and neighbors and famly members who won't complain too much during the process. even if you just R&R the drivetrain you can save a bunch of money, but don't go so far in disassembly that you're in "basket case" territiry - shops hate dealing with those ...
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post Sep 8 2003, 05:57 PM
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Hi Jason,

Sorry to here about your engine problems. Who do you currently use for mechanical stuff?

There is a shop on Stone & Blacklidge called Radmacher Porshe Service. The guy used to specialize in 914's. It's a small shop, just him and one other mechanic. He is a wizard w/ D-jet & L-jet problems. You might have him diagnose the problem, shouldn't take more than a couple of hours in labor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Sep 9 2003, 05:48 AM
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Over the last 5 or 6 years (while lurking on this and other sites) I have completly rebuilt my `72 914 S,including the engine,(IT`S NOW A 2.56L)and I`m no tech just a parts replacer.I read every thing I could find, took pictures and asked questions.To have a car like this you need to know how it works,my budget won`t let me take it to a shop every time something happens.


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post Sep 9 2003, 06:27 AM
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your car looks great, (maybe a little too high though)

when you rebuilt the motor, how much of the process did you have to farm out? What steps involve machining?

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post Sep 9 2003, 11:30 AM
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Thanks for the replies...

Mark.. thanks, the car is at his place right now. He was the bearer of the bad news. I'd trust he would do a good job given his experience. Hell, he had two other 914's in the shop while I was there.

I am not against trying this myself but given my knowledge, lack of good tools, etc... it would take me forever and a day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Anybody else have experience with a shop rebuild? Price?
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post Sep 9 2003, 11:45 AM
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6-7K in this area. Full legal stock race prep injected 2.0 (115hp) runs 7k. Stockish rebuild with Euro P+C's is around 6k. Less "care" is taken during the assembly of a "street" engine.

Most of the cases need line bored now.. most of the heads need new seats..balance everything.. powder coat all tin..



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post Sep 9 2003, 02:08 PM
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Mark.. thanks, the car is at his place right now. He was the bearer of the bad news. I'd trust he would do a good job given his experience. Hell, he had two other 914's in the shop while I was there.

Dave should be able to give you an accurate estimate. He is not cheap but he does a good job. Mine had to be line bored, new Web cam, he used sodium exhaust valves. The list of parts is 3 pages long.

The alternative is to buy some kind of rebuilt crate motor. At least if it is done locally you will have a local warranty, and you will start with your original motor as a core.
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post Sep 9 2003, 02:31 PM
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unless it needs to stay stock for autox... I think 7k in Georgia at Raby's shop would be the smart rebuild... 150+hp instead of 115hp.

am I missing something?
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post Sep 9 2003, 04:34 PM
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Yeah.. it's carbed.

Jakes 150 is a smoking deal. I'm surrounded by racers and purists..that need SCCA/PCA/POC legal engines. Or smog legal injected engines.

You need to stop talking yourself out of one of Jakes engines and just send him a deposit (and me 20$ for my consulting fee). I am the Tony Robbins of 914's.


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post Sep 9 2003, 05:14 PM
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LOL!!

believe me Bro, I wish I could... maybe if I win the fat fantasy football our office has going... until then, I'll just keep giving Jake free advertising, and rolling pennies.... I seriously hope to get him building my engine next spring or fall... the little woman will have some say in that decision though... she makes about as much as I do, and if she let me manage all the dough we'd have to live in a hut... a hut with a four car garage!!!

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I forget about smog-legality... but Jake does build FI engines... has them on the site... it may be a 2056 instead of 1971cc though...
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post Sep 9 2003, 06:54 PM
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just send jake a little at a time and tell him to start once he has enough dough. She won't notice a thing!
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post Sep 9 2003, 06:58 PM
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jason,

what happened... ouch

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post Sep 9 2003, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(tat2dphreak @ Sep 9 2003, 04:31 PM)
unless it needs to stay stock for autox... I think 7k in Georgia at Raby's shop would be the smart rebuild... 150+hp instead of 115hp.  

am I missing something?


Injection

... let me further that.

Factory Injection, and originality.


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post Sep 9 2003, 07:55 PM
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I bought Jake's video and he walks you through every step and explains everything out, Hell my wife could have done it!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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