Tire stretching, Anyone in the VW world that can explain |
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Tire stretching, Anyone in the VW world that can explain |
Brett W |
Mar 9 2006, 12:22 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
WTF? Why did this seem like a good idea?
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alpha434 |
Mar 9 2006, 12:25 PM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Because in the lowrider truck world, everything's a "good" idea.
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Joe Ricard |
Mar 9 2006, 12:27 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
We had a 240 SX show up in Street mod. had some tires stretched out like that. We told him to get that changed, finally we gave in and let him run.
Huh wouldn't ya know blew a tire OFF the rim in a corner. Aluminum makes really cool sounds as it grinds against asphalt. Now go get some tires that fit!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/spank.gif) |
Brett W |
Mar 9 2006, 12:31 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
I love the 914 Club. You guys aren't a bunch of hypersensitive weenies. THey locked my thread:
http://vwcaddyforum.com/showthread.php?t=7980 Yeah stupid trends like huge offset wheels causing those shitboxes to break a hub and crash into me as I ride down the street. |
Porcharu |
Mar 9 2006, 12:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
It is goofy "Euro" thing that is popular in the dub rags. Just look at any of the UK vw mags and you will see this
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Brett W |
Mar 9 2006, 12:42 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
Yeah I saw it in a couple of Euro VW mags a friend of mine was looking at.
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alpha434 |
Mar 9 2006, 01:44 PM
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My member number is no coincidence. Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 16-December 05 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 5,280 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
They don't look hypersensitive to me. Just dumb. For the record, going outside of the normal engineered use of a tire will always be unsafe to an extent. This means cramming more tire under there too. Some things are just less unsafe than others. Those things are usually "last resort." ABSOLUTELY need a bigger foot print=more tire. CAN'T get the right size ANYWHERE=maybe stretch. But if you plan on making those situations last, then you may want to get the right sized rims to match your tire needs. And I like the post with the guy who had 9 inch rims with stretched tires. And drove it "hard." |
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phantom914 |
Mar 9 2006, 01:54 PM
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non-914-owner non-club member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,013 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Covina,CA(North ofWest Covina) Member No.: 1,708 |
"Euro"? This was popular in California years ago (well, among people of certain heritage anyway). The trick was to put the tire on the rim, put some lighter fluid in the tire and throw a lit match in to "mildly explode" the tire to set the bead on the rim. Andrew |
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Andyrew |
Mar 9 2006, 02:27 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
never heard of that trick phantom!
I always just used a lot of air.... |
dstar |
Mar 9 2006, 02:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 196 Joined: 19-January 06 From: Ramstein, Germany Member No.: 5,438 Region Association: Germany |
Like THESE 265s on a 12 inch rim:
The reason is, they were all I had at the time! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) I ran them about 1000 miles before getting *properly sized* P2000s. Don Attached image(s) |
Rand |
Mar 9 2006, 02:43 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
This "tire stretching" was popular in Japan in the mid/late eighties. Along with totally crazy body mods, wings, spoilers, pipes, oil coolers, etc. A buddy of mine had some Jap car magazines that gave us a lot of laughs back then. These photos came from a website, I can't remember where now, but they all do the small tires....
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1141936560.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1141936595.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/blog-1141936606.jpg) |
jd74914 |
Mar 9 2006, 03:05 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,782 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
Thats the trick to mounting 18 wheeler tires. We used it to mount a tubeless backhoe tire. The only problem with it is that they can bounce kinda high (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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montoya 73 2.0 |
Mar 9 2006, 03:05 PM
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Lack of consideration to others, and Selfish! Group: Members Posts: 1,791 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Paso Robles, Ca. Member No.: 3,016 Region Association: Central California |
I'll say it, It was hispanic's. I'm of hispanic decent, but it's not all true. I have a friend that has a tire and rim store in San Jose, Ca. and a majority of people doing this were of "euro decent" and doing it to there muscle cars! It was a fad. Just like the clear lenses fad, Neon Light's under the car and dice on your rear view mirror, etc., etc.. It was for a simple reason, They wanted a lower tire so they can have a lower car. It's also no different than those who put lift kit's and then monster tires on there trucks and SUV's. What's that all about? A majority of them don't even have a 4x4 and don't even touch the dirty. If they do, the only 4x4ing they do is over curbs. I don't get that? |
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mskala |
Mar 9 2006, 03:30 PM
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R Group: Members Posts: 1,925 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 79 Region Association: None |
Things can go the other way, too, like really wide tire on narrow rim.
I was in another forum for AX where I opined that 225 was too wide for a 6" rim. I was told that there were national champions who ran 225/50/13 on a 5" rim! I bet they had the pressure WAY up. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
Dave-O |
Mar 9 2006, 03:54 PM
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Is winter done yet? Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 26-August 03 From: Minneapols, MN Member No.: 1,082 |
I'm sure that they were only running a 5" rim because of stock class restrictions. If you look at the majority of AX cars with more options in rim width (not stock classed) and not running real slicks, you'll see that the tread width is as close as possible to the rim width. A rule of thumb that I've heard is match the tread width to the rim width +/- .5". |
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Brett W |
Mar 9 2006, 05:08 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
You will find a lot of race tire guys will have to use the ether trick. Many race tires will not fit on to the narrow rims required by the rules. So in order to get the bead to seat you spray a little ether around the inside of the tire and light it. BOOM, the bead usually seats. Scares the hell out of the onlookers though.
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Mike T |
Mar 9 2006, 05:30 PM
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can't 'member Group: Members Posts: 378 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Brackney, PA Member No.: 161 |
I autocrossed VW Beetles in SCCA H-Stock from 1983 to 1988. Non SuperBeetles were stuck with a 4.5" wide rim. I used Yokohama A001R and later A008R tires in 195/60-15 size. I did use high air pressure. 47psi front and 41 rear but it worked well enough. Mike T |
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rick 918-S |
Mar 9 2006, 05:52 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,489 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
That's what I want. The smallest contact patch I can obtain.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)
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Air_Cooled_Nut |
Mar 9 2006, 06:07 PM
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914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Beaverton, Oregon Member No.: 584 Region Association: None |
For water-cooled VWs, this trend started in Euro and quickly made its way to the US. It's a look. It also allows a larger rim to be used and thus allow more 'lip' since front-wheel drive cars don't get that nice deep-dish offset like rear-wheel drive cars do (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) and still lower the car so the wheels fit within the wheel well. It also allows the same or larger contact patch. That's the theory and they're sticking to it.
Personally, I think it's stupid but I use my car as a daily-driver and auto-crosser...not as just a show car like many try to play off. |
Aaron Cox |
Mar 9 2006, 06:11 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
saw the lighter fluid trick on tv... icelandic hill climbers.... they have mong o tires on beadlocked rims, but they still manage to come off b/c low psi is used... the boom trick is fun to watch |
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