 Exploring the "Hell Hole" |
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| Neal |
 Sep 17 2003, 02:01 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 300 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Sammamish, Washington Member No.: 605  |
How does one inspect the hell hole looks like you can't see much from up on top.
Geoff looked at mine quickley but I would like to dig a little deeper. Any suggestions Neal |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 17 2003, 02:15 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,606 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
take the battery and brain out and get some good light in there.
then, use a big screw driver and try to poke holes in your frame rail. pray that it won't work ... Andy |
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| J P Stein |
Sep 17 2003, 02:51 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
I stick my hand down in there.....and have the scars to prove it. If you feel holes, fergit it....no holes makes it worth a closer look... along Andy's lines.
I've "felt up" a bunch of 914s. Does that make me some kinda pervert? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| reverie |
Sep 17 2003, 04:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 783 Joined: 14-March 03 Member No.: 427 Region Association: None |
I need to do that, too.. have a good look from above and underneath, remove the rocker covers, look around. I see some rust, and I want to see how serious it is so I can prioritize my spending. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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| SirAndy |
Sep 17 2003, 04:41 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,606 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
also, more often than not, it is rusted through the side wall.
jack the pass. rear up, take the wheel off, get a good light in there and check for rust on the inside fender well. i did patch the holes from both sides, kinda like a sandwitch. should last for a while. Andy framerail from above: (IMG:http://www.sirandy.com/pix/914/07.30.2002/IMGP0262.jpg) same, plus fender hole patched: (IMG:http://www.sirandy.com/pix/914/07.30.2002/IMGP0267.jpg) from inside the fender: (IMG:http://www.sirandy.com/pix/914/07.30.2002/IMGP0268.jpg) |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 17 2003, 04:44 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,606 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
and the final result, just ingore the sand, this pic was taken AFTER the beach party (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
(IMG:http://www.sirandy.com/pix/914/2003.04.14/IMGP1701.jpg) |
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| Bleyseng |
Sep 17 2003, 05:32 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
A shot of my hell hole all purdy....
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| Neal |
Sep 17 2003, 06:20 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 300 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Sammamish, Washington Member No.: 605 |
I ventured into the Hell Hole and found it only the purgatory hole the attached photo is the small hole I found, I assume I have to remove the battery tray and patch the hole ?, or are treated little holes ok to live with ?.
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| Neal |
Sep 17 2003, 06:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 300 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Sammamish, Washington Member No.: 605 |
P.S all the metal except the hole is sound, I poke with a big ass scredriver and only found this one spot.
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| SirAndy |
Sep 17 2003, 06:36 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,606 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
patch it. you don't want anymore stuff falling (and rotting) in your framerail.
cut out the cancer. don't leave any behind. get some "metal-ready" and spray it inside the frame rail, trough the hole. then weld shut. Andy |
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| Hawktel |
Sep 17 2003, 06:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: 2-April 03 From: Ogden Utah Member No.: 506 |
I think the issue is what does the behind that hole look like?
It could be a time bomb. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 17 2003, 06:46 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,606 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Hawktel @ Sep 17 2003, 05:44 PM) I think the issue is what does the behind that hole look like? It could be a time bomb. yepp, that's why you should cut it out. have a look inside. if it's only surface rust, put plenty of metal ready in there and weld it shut. otherwise, start cutting out rust from the underside ... Andy |
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| DNHunt |
Sep 17 2003, 08:28 PM
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914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598 |
Sounds like a few of us up here in the Emerald City are going to be cuting and welding. I just got a couple pieces from Restoration Designs but the pieces I really need are not available. Apparently, they need to make some new dies and it may be a while before they do. I'm hoping the lower firewall and inner fender are not too bad and can be patched rather than replaced.
I should find out pretty soon. I'll have it up on blocks in a month. Dave |
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| scotty |
Sep 17 2003, 09:34 PM
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The Fun Never Stops Group: Members Posts: 773 Joined: 20-May 03 From: Portland. Oregon (SW) Member No.: 718 Region Association: None |
QUOTE I've "felt up" a bunch of 914s. Does that make some kinda pervert? ...only if you didn't enjoy it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Get an Optima battery and or move the battery for total peace of mind after you fix it. |
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| Neal |
Sep 17 2003, 09:46 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 300 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Sammamish, Washington Member No.: 605 |
Please give me a tutorial on "cut it out" and what needs to be removed to accomplish this. Do I have to remove the battery tray or can it be done with the try in place, also should I inspect from the wheelwell ?. This is my daily driver so this will be a slam bam fix for sure.
Neal |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 17 2003, 10:05 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,606 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Neal @ Sep 17 2003, 08:46 PM) Please give me a tutorial on "cut it out" and what needs to be removed to accomplish this. Do I have to remove the battery tray or can it be done with the try in place, also should I inspect from the wheelwell ?. This is my daily driver so this will be a slam bam fix for sure. Neal depending on where exactly that hole is the tray might be able to stay in there. if you can't get in and do the work because the tray is in the way, and the tray itself is not rusted, drill out the spot-welds so you can weld it back in afterwards. cut out the rusty area with a cutoff wheel, give yourself plenty of room, meaning cut PAST the rusted area. cut a square (rectangle) hole so you can patch it easy with some sheet-metal. make the sheetmetal bigger than the cut-out, like at least 1/2" wider all around. drill holes in the new sheet metal and weld like you would do spot welds. when done, you can lay a seam around the piece if you want. if the area is not flat, make sure the patch sheet is molded into whatever shape you need. this is done with cuts and a BFH (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) if you look closely, you can see that in my first and second pic. Andy |
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| reverie |
Sep 17 2003, 10:11 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 783 Joined: 14-March 03 Member No.: 427 Region Association: None |
Neal, it might be cost-effective to ask a local shop to do the patch or whatever. I'm not sure if Redmond European does this kind of thing.. there's a better chance that Mercer Island Svc Cntr would do it, and very reasonably too. Their hours are usually 7:45 - 4:00, M - F .. bring in the pic, and ask for Carl or Richard.. they have LOTS of Porsche experience.
Dave, you might try Stoddard's..? |
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| Bleyseng |
Sep 18 2003, 07:53 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
It would be better to trash the tray and support so you can get in to do the work.
I laid the new metal in and butt seam welded it so it you couldn't tell it was put in unlike Andy's. The rusty stuff must cut out regardless and good new metal installed to protect the long. The new support and tray get welded in last. Geoff |
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| tracks914 |
Sep 18 2003, 08:10 AM
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Canadian Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,083 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 153 Region Association: None  |
Here is a picture of what I had to cut out. With the battery tray out I found more rust. The picture doesn't show all that I cut out before I repaired it all but it gives you an idea of the work involved in trying to do the repair with the tray in place. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Trays are cheap and yours probably needs replacement if it never has been yet. Attached image(s) 
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| tracks914 |
Sep 18 2003, 08:12 AM
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Canadian Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,083 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 153 Region Association: None |
And after the repair.
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