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> The best 4 banger for the JOB!, If it was a light weight four cylinder, what would it be?
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post May 25 2006, 06:28 PM
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RS2, VW turbo, Pinto engine, Subaru, what would be the best four banger for a 914. I just want to keep it light weight and on pump gas; WHAT SAY YOU?????
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post May 25 2006, 06:30 PM
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Well..

Whats the job you require??
street?
Daily driving?
Gas milage?
autox?
Road race?
Other?
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post May 25 2006, 06:32 PM
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I'd have to say the Subaru would be at or near the top...very light and plenty of power potential........Type IV would be in the top 5 for sure (modified of course)
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post May 25 2006, 06:33 PM
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I would go with a subaru. You get the reliabiliy of a daily driver, and the fun of a high strung engine. If I didn't want to keep it all porsche, then I would definetly go with a subaru WRX motor. those are SWEET!
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post May 25 2006, 06:33 PM
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Best meaning what? What's the goal? What's the budget?

There are only two 4-banger options I would consider: A type 4, or a Subie.
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post May 25 2006, 06:39 PM
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Rand... Agree with ya there..



but theres also so many great 4 cylander engines..
Honda's vtech's are actually really cool,

Then again, the 944 turbo engine is one HECK of an engine..

Audi A4's are sweet as well... As well as numerous others..


But I wouldnt put anything other than a subaru or a T4 in a 914... A T4 can be built to any specs, and a subaru is an awesome daily driver with lots of power without sacrificing fuel economy or tq.


PS: the T4 is the lightest engine of all the choices mentioned thus far. Keep in mind, it needs no radiator... all the rest do.
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post May 25 2006, 06:43 PM
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Cool answers friends. I guess if my nuts were to shrivel up and had to compincate for my lack of manlyhood, which is not in any lack as of yet, and would like to give all those other rice burners a run for their Yin, Yangs and Wangs.

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post May 25 2006, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ May 25 2006, 05:39 PM) *

Then again, the 944 turbo engine is one HECK of an engine..


I've been wondering about this. I don't know anything about engine swaps but is a 944 engine possible in a 914?
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post May 25 2006, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(Hammy @ May 25 2006, 05:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Andyrew @ May 25 2006, 05:39 PM) *

Then again, the 944 turbo engine is one HECK of an engine..


I've been wondering about this. I don't know anything about engine swaps but is a 944 engine possible in a 914?


they are pretty long.

for comparison sake.
a 928 v8 is essentially 2 944 motors siamesed on same crank.
ricks 928 motor required firewall mods....

thus, i will say a 944 motor would also require firewall mods...
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post May 25 2006, 06:57 PM
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Is a 944 engine a bolt on solution or would I need an addaptor plate? Can it also be carbed and camded respectively? The fire wall stuff, thats child's play since I have all the metal working tools at my disposal. I'm welding a permanent role cage in the beast as w e speak!


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post May 25 2006, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ May 25 2006, 05:39 PM) *

Rand... Agree with ya there..
but theres also so many great 4 cylander engines..
Honda's vtech's are actually really cool,


For sure. There are lots of really nice modern engines.

It takes a lot of engineering and work to put a quality conversion together. If you have time and interest, that's way cool.

When I dream of my future engine, I still flip back and forth between a 2316 and a v8. Still can't make up my mind.

While the type 4 is not a modern design, Jake has proven it's not a problem to get 200 reliable hp. That appeals to me because it bolts in, it's light, and it's the air-cooled 4 that goes with the car.

I love the Subie. I think that's a killer swap. No need to look any farther for a modern reliable high-performance 4. The engineering is already done and good kits are available now. But if I put a radiator in my car it's going to be feeding a v8. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 25 2006, 07:05 PM
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The 944 engine is one of the last engines I'd pick...Milk shakes anyone ?


I love changing timing belts....
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post May 25 2006, 07:08 PM
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My answer goes without saying, but i'll say it anyway.

Subaru. Here's why;

* All aluminium (actually lighter than a type IV)
* Modern EFI stock
* horizontally opposed for low center of mass
* they come in turbo and non-turbo flavors, from 1.8 to 2.5 liters, mild to wild
* Cheap to replace
* Slowly there is becoming a reasonably decent knowledgebase
* reliable, long lived
* good fuel economy (MongrelGT gets 35-37 mpg with his EJ25)
* powerful (EJ25 = 165 HP stock, WRX=227 stock, STI=300 stock)

No its not aircooled, no you can't race in snooty porsche only events, its not made in Germany, etc.

As far as other 4 bangers go, I think length (as mentioned with the 944) will become an issue, since most are used longitudinaly. The 1.8 turbo engine in my wife's Audi TT would be a very nice engine in a 914, but plumbing dual intercoolers and all the extra stuff would be a huge job in itself.


So there's my 2.5 cents.

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post May 25 2006, 08:15 PM
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Just to touch on one other suitable engine, built in germany,lots of high perform-

ance parts including turbo, kit available to mount to trans. Yes it's a Pintobean.

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post May 25 2006, 08:17 PM
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Longevity?

Toyota 22R truck motor....
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post May 25 2006, 08:28 PM
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subaru would be my first choice. Looks like a porsche motor which I kinda dig the design. STI motors may be in my the distant future.

my sohc honda motor is putting out around 300hp. very light weight. It can also be replace for around $1500.


I've seen a renault motor with 450hp. It was a 1.3 liter I beleive. Pretty scary.
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post May 25 2006, 08:37 PM
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best option is a raby type 4. followed by the scooby
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I was just stating engine's that are great 4 cylander engines.... NOT engines that work great in a 914..

THe 944 turbo would not fit well, and would suck for regular maintenence. (firewall mods aaron?)A new firewall would be required... It fits exactly the same as a 928 engine.

Only 4 cylanders i'd put in a 914 would be the subi's and T4... Like I stated earlyer...
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post May 25 2006, 08:43 PM
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I like the Honda S2000 motor. 326 pounds which works out to .73 hp/lb. But if you are going to put a radiator in the car you would have to put a LS6 in there. 497 pounds which works out to .90 hp/lb
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post May 25 2006, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ May 25 2006, 07:41 PM) *

THe 944 turbo would not fit well, and would suck for regular maintenence. (firewall mods aaron?)A new firewall would be required... It fits exactly the same as a 928 engine.


how is a new firewall not a firewall mod? LOL
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