914 tube framed 2.7T finally under way., Official project progress thread... Options

[byndbad914]

you can click on the card button below the member info and go to my website tube chassis progress page. Lots-o-photos there.

[URY914]

The body will basically be just hanging onto the chassis.

So this is going to be a tube frame car with the original steel body panels hung on the the tube frame, correct? What are you going to use for suspension? Stock pieces somehow welded back together on the tubing?

Designing and building a complete tube frame car is some job. My car has all the stock suspension and floors and it was still a lot of work.

Good luck.

[URY914]

you can click on the card button below the member info and go to my website tube chassis progress page. Lots-o-photos there.

I can only open week 16 and even then all the photos don't load. Maybe Firefox won't let me view it or something (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[byndbad914]

you can click on the card button below the member info and go to my website tube chassis progress page. Lots-o-photos there.

I can only open week 16 and even then all the photos don't load. Maybe Firefox won't let me view it or something (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

sucky geocities - seems if a few people view it, they quit allowing downloads unless I pay some BS fees. I need to get my own .com probably..

here is the first thread on the forum - after the virus stuff I started a 2nd thread and at the end of this there is another imbedded link. Most of the pics frmo the site are in the 2 threads anyway.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=46192

geocities (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

[914_1.8t]

byndbad914: Thanks for the link.

URY: Yeah, it's a lot of work but fun at the same time.

It will be a variation of uneven length A-Arms front and back.

Still havn't decided on what spindle/brake combo to use...or if I should just fab it myself modifying stock trailing arms for this configuration. I wanted to decide on Monday but guess will make my decision and order something on next Monday. But, I've somewhat limited my options since I've decided to run the 5x112 whells that I already have.

[jd74914]

Is 5x112 an Audi pattern?

[byndbad914]

Still havn't decided on what spindle/brake combo to use...or if I should just fab it myself modifying stock trailing arms for this configuration. I wanted to decide on Monday but guess will make my decision and order something on next Monday. But, I've somewhat limited my options since I've decided to run the 5x112 whells that I already have.

I am guessing those wheels have a fair amount of positive offset by looking at the pix. Do you currently run a spacer on those?

I ask because you could open up your options by putting NASCAR-style stuff on the car from Wilwood (NASCAR stuff is "reasonably" priced and easy to find replacement parts for) with a 5 on 5 pattern, then make an adapter to mount the wheels you have that is the same thickness as the current spacer. Then, if down the road you decide to track the car more and want to buy cheap racing wheels with slicks to change out at the track, there is a vast array of choices in the 5x5 pattern.

Just a thought...

[andys]

914_1.8t,

I have a question with regard to the slave cylinder on your transaxle. Where do you get the quick coupling (fitting) for the slave cylinder hydraulic line? The Audi hydraulic hose assembly is $100. Is there a cheaper alternative? I have the same slave on my 6 speed.

Andys

[914_1.8t]

jd74914:
Yes Audi. It's also same as Mercedes and VW Passat.

andys:
I was able to get hose along with my slave cylinder from a salvage yard for around $40. Unfortunately, I did not find any other alternative for that fitting...and the dealer price is ludicrous. See if you can get one from a salvage yard/junk yard. It's the same slave for all Audi Manual and VW Long (Passat) setups...not sure if it's the same as other VWs also.

byndbad914:
What am I looking at price wise to get the hubs/spindles you are talking about? If I went with that I would also need to find an axle solution. I'd appreciate any leads, ie web links, for information on price/configuration.

The Alternative is use the Porsche setup (w/ adapters) that I already have (left over from the 1.8t conversion) for the rear....or adapt a VW/Audi front Spindle/Hubs for the job (I'm leaning towards this). Just a quick check and the distance from outside of both front wheels on my passat about what I need to fill out the back flares. Since the the distance b/w where the driveshafts mount on the 6spd and 5spd is the same....I should be able to run off the shelve axles (~$40/each jy price) in the rear and have everything work w/o any spacers/adapters. That way they are easy to replace should I break one. I could use either Willwoods with this setup or for now run front brakes from either an A4/Passat/S4 for the time being in the rear. But then I'd need to find some 5x112 wheels to mount slicks on for the track.

[byndbad914]

have to admit I kinda forget that you have all that Audi stuff going on, which might make the rear a little more complicated (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Also, I definitely don't have a diffinitive answer of "buy this at this place" since I had already started down the Porsche parts path when building based on the stock tub, I just wish I had done it differently from the start.

That said, I would look into a front suspension clip kinda thing for a SuperLate or Tour car (like SouthWest/Northwest/Midwest Tour).

Howe Racing has tons-o-stuff for NASCAR and is a popular source. Here is a front susp example and links at the bottom for others. You would just use a simple GM drop spindle and a hub/rotor/caliper setup of some sort (like Wilwood)
http://www.howeracing.com/Chassis/Index-Front-M.htm

just have to be sure whatever hub you use, they typically have that long "snout"/bearing cover, so be sure your wheels will fit over it.

You may or may not be able to adapt a stock rack to work - you would have to determine pivot locations of the arms and see if you can set the rack to minimize bump steer. Otherwise, they probably have a rack that works. Maybe even use a power steering rack (hmmmmm!!)

you can start at the home section of Howe and go thru all the links for hours of enjoyment (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
http://www.howeracing.com/

As for the rear, you can get hub assemblies from Baja sources that you could build into your own upright. As to whether you can specifically get a 5on5 pattern I didn't check into, but seems plausible.

Then just get a custom set of axles that are the right length with the correct CVs at each end to mate to whatever hub assy you got and the Audi trans.

[Andyrew]

Looks great so far!!

Watching!

Andrew